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Beware Turner Basses.

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#142
west*coast*bass said:
Maybe we in this TB community should start a call campaign. We can target those dealers and builders who flake out on one of our own.

Imagine how amazed Rick Turner would be if he had 50 phone calls a day from bass players rallying around one of our own.

The older I get the less tolerant I am of bad behaviour and flaky business dealings.
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That's called harrassment. You have no standing in this issue. Period. You are neither the buyer, nor the seller. Doing anything as "The TB community" like that will only result in Paul's butt getting in the fire, when he received cease and desist orders. You really want him to close TB down over someone else's bass? :rolleyes:

If you really want to start a calling campaign for something, why not do it over something a bit more noble, like the homeless, or starving kids?
 
#144
bassmonkeee said:
That's called harrassment. You have no standing in this issue. Period. You are neither the buyer, nor the seller. Doing anything as "The TB community" like that will only result in Paul's butt getting in the fire, when he received cease and desist orders. You really want him to close TB down over someone else's bass? :rolleyes:

If you really want to start a calling campaign for something, why not do it over something a bit more noble, like the homeless, or starving kids?
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So helping out someone who's money has basically been stolen is not noble?

And maybe if more people were taken to task for their shortcomings we would not have to suffer these kinds of situations. Maybe you feel comfortable in rolling over when something is not right and that is certainly your right. Don't tell me that I have no standing. My opinion is that we should fight for ALL things important. If someone has been taken advantage of, we owe it to ourselves to help out so we don't suffer the same fate.

And just so you know, I own a company that helps non-profit groups raise money. What are you doing to help out the community?
 
#145
west*coast*bass said:
So helping out someone who's money has basically been stolen is not noble?
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I don't think the issue is whether helping is good or not. I think the issue is the method of help suggested.

And maybe if more people were taken to task ... And just so you know, I own a company that helps non-profit groups raise money. What are you doing to help out the community?
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Interesting... NEVER woulda' guessed. :)

Seriously, tho, I think we'd all like to see Mojo satisfied, but a bit of caution goes a LONG way when dealing with highly sensitive issues... especially when you're not a primary party.
 
#146
Time for my story.
I live in Santa Cruz County, it takes all of 10-15 minutes to get to Santa Cruz where Rick's shop is located. I decided to wander through some of the other shops in town that supply his instruments. Impressed by the work, I asked if one of the shop owners had the address for me so that I may stop by and check out the place. The owner highly advised against it. I've heard the excuses he's gave, and from this very trusted shop owner, it sounds like the guy's just had time management problems. He told me that if I were to stop by, make an appointment, only to change his mind and tell him that he would call Rick himself if I wanted to make a meeting, seeing as they are close friends. I may just take him up on that offer to see if I can get a straight answer out of Rick, then again, it may delay his work.
 
#147
There is no reason for anyone not directly involved in this problem to contact Turner. Period.

The best thing we can do is show support on threads like this. MAYBE, if Turner realized that people like me will never buy one of his products based on what we read here, he will pull his head out of his butt and run his business like a professional.
 
#148
NicJimBass said:
After reaing all these posts, I felt it was only right to contact Mr. Turner and encourage him to weigh in on this thread. I PM'd him, and he responded:

Originally Posted by NicJimBass
Mr. Turner,

I just read a thread sterted by someone who apparently ordered a bass from you over a year ago, and is still waiting for it. There is a lot of pull in these forums, and alot of people are getting a bad taste for you and your instruments, simply because of one person's experience. May I suggest going to the thread (found http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227023 ")and possibly diffusing the situation? Thanks for your time.

Nick

Mr. Turner's Response:

I think my partner, Barry Pearlman, has taken care of that. One of the problems there is that we've put in a new computer system here, and it's filtered out a whole lot of email...correctly as well as incorrectly. It this guy had simply used the telephone...all would be well.
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Wow! I'm not sure what to say besides.....piss poor attitude, especially towards someone who has practically given you a lot of money and you have given them nothing.

that attitude earns him every bit of disrespect and loss of business he has coming to him... :rollno: :rollno: :rollno: :rollno: :rollno: :rollno: :rollno: :rollno:
 
#150
I agree with the "get BP mag involved" idea, but I have an idea that they'd NEVER do that. I realize all of RT's contributions to the world of bassdom, but jeez fellas, understand this: Mojo is not made of money, and I'm pretty sure he's missing that loot right now. Hell, any of us would be. Once a customer has done and gone through everything that Mojo has and paid for the bass in full, a "break" is no longer on the table. As for the Charlie Parker analogy, it didn't make him a bad muso, but it made him a bad person to do business with. JM.02.
 
#154
dunamis said:
So that would differ from the way it is now in *what* way???:p
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Who knows. Without knowing both sides of a story I wouldn't want to call someone on the phone and accuse them of anything. Additionally, I wouldn't call someone to get there side of the story unless I had more interest in it than being a member on the same internet forum as one of the parties involved. It isn't my place to investigate.

The way it sounds, Rick Turner is screwing the guy around, but I've seen similar claims on here that turned out to be bunk. I think one of them involved Pat Wilkins.
 
#155
I'll never buy a bass from Turner. The original post was enough to convince me, but this post made me certain:

NicJimBass said:
After reaing all these posts, I felt it was only right to contact Mr. Turner and encourage him to weigh in on this thread. I PM'd him, and he responded:

Originally Posted by NicJimBass
Mr. Turner,

I just read a thread sterted by someone who apparently ordered a bass from you over a year ago, and is still waiting for it. There is a lot of pull in these forums, and alot of people are getting a bad taste for you and your instruments, simply because of one person's experience. May I suggest going to the thread (found http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227023 ")and possibly diffusing the situation? Thanks for your time.

Nick

Mr. Turner's Response:

I think my partner, Barry Pearlman, has taken care of that. One of the problems there is that we've put in a new computer system here, and it's filtered out a whole lot of email...correctly as well as incorrectly. It this guy had simply used the telephone...all would be well.
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That sounds very sus to me. The fact that Turner doesn't care about his reputation enough to even post in this thread is evidence enough of a lack of business sense IMO.
 
#157
But I do think this thread is of value. How many hits does it have now? A lot of GAS sufferers will at least be relieved of the expense, worry, and stress of trying to get Mr. Turner to (draws in breath sharply) sell them bass!:p
 
#158
Disco_Gee said:
That sounds very sus to me. The fact that Turner doesn't care about his reputation enough to even post in this thread is evidence enough of a lack of business sense IMO.
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There was a similar thread that turned out to be false. I believe that the person being taken to task was watching the thread but didn't join because they didn't want to enter the hornets' nest.

I'm not saying that he is or isn't doing anything wrong, but I don't think that not posting in a thread like this means anything about whether he cares about his reputation. IMO, a businessman entering into an argument on the internet about his business may not be the best idea.
 
#159
Disco_Gee said:
That sounds very sus to me. The fact that Turner doesn't care about his reputation enough to even post in this thread is evidence enough of a lack of business sense IMO.
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Actually, JT not posting here makes perfect sense to me.

IMHO, what he should do is IMMEDIATELY service Mojo, and let Mojo post here. After that, do a helluva lot better job with his customers or be happy with whatever number will let him treat them that way. If that's enough to sustain him, so be it. I won't be one of them, tho.

All a JT post here would do is give him a good excuse to wear flame retardant clothing and take blood pressure medicine... and I'm pretty sure that's all.
 
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