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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

#384
A few minutes ago I e-mailed Mike the schematic for the MAS112 crossover. I had a hard time pulling myself away from listening to it, and I predict you guys are not going to want to stop playing through it either. Mike has done a magnificent job and I'm honored to have been invited to play a small role. I think this cab is going to dominate its general size/price range. The main difference between me and Mike's other head-to-head competitors is, I already know I'm boned (fortunately Mike has been helping me re-orient to other areas of the maket).
 
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Im excited to. Cant wait! And I dont think Duke has anything to worry about the new hathor cabs are incredible , the weight and form factor is something i dont think any one will come close to. For me I was looking at either a pair of his 1203 hathors or a one cab do all so I jumped towards the MAS112
 
#389
DukeLeJeune said:
A few minutes ago I e-mailed Mike the schematic for the MAS112 crossover. I had a hard time pulling myself away from listening to it, and I predict you guys are not going to want to stop playing through it either. Mike has done a magnificent job and I'm honored to have been invited to play a small role. I think this cab is going to dominate its general size/price range. The main difference between me and Mike's other head-to-head competitors is, I already know I'm boned (fortunately Mike has been helping me re-orient to other areas of the maket).
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Will it have a smooth/aggressive switch?
 
#390
John D Harris said:
Will it have a smooth/aggressive switch?
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No, but the native voicing is like an aggressive version of smooth. In other words no deliberate peaks, but the general trend of the response curve is a bit on the aggressive side of neutral. This was Mike's idea, and the drivers he selected do it with relatively little overt persuasion on the part of the crossover. I wish my own crossovers came together as elegantly. There's only one actual response-shaping circuit in the whole crossover... ime that almost never happens when the goal is a well-behaved response curve. I think you'll find the native voicing of the cab to be a very useful "starting point" for whatever tone shaping you want to do. For instance my original Thunderchild 112 was arguably too smooth and laid-back - it was hard to coax a real growly tone out of it. That won't be the case here.

And this has nothing to do with the crossover, but the way the 18Sound woofer in this cab "pops" - delivers the leading edge of the notes with palpable impact - seems to be in the same league as the mighty Flex 210 (though nothing that I know of approaches the Flexibility of the 210). That pop is all Steve and Tom combined with Mike's obsessive wooferquesting and experience in what works and what doesn't. For those of you who may have been frustrated with Mike's rapid evolution of new versions and new models, this is how he has been able to cram many years' equivalent of R&D experience into about two calendar years.
 
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Well if us early adopters are frustrated, it is just a keeping up with the Jones feeling. I have the 4x8 with the first OEM 8's, then got the 4x6 you were so impressed with Duke. Big space, and smaller space cabs. The 46 can do PA duty and does whenever I want to pour on the coals, and take the 48 for bass duty. They are all great cabs. If I were just starting out with this line I would definitely grab a 1x12 as a swiss army knife cab. Of course I have not heard my neighbor Kesslari's 2x10 flex mod yet:) Good news is he plays a fretless Zon and plays better than me so I would just write it off to the better fingers equals better tone and not jones for a flex mod. Plus Mike says my 48 is louder neeners kesslari. LOL
 
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The MAS112 will be my 3rd big e cab. The v.1 8x5 kind of ruined me for traditional cabs. When I heard about the 210 flex I had to try it, and it was everything Mike claimed it to be. Due to an accident I had to sell my flex, but since then Mike and the guys at big E have essentially designed the cab I have wanted from the beginning. Excellent form factor, weight, and output. Great matchup with a hi powered micro. From Dukes voicing description, I think it will be perfect for my needs. I used to run the 210 flex with the mids on high with my Streamliner and neutral with the GK MB800. A voicing that splits the difference sounds ideal, and I can't wait to try it!
 
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JGR said:
I'm still a bit torn.... what if I made a switchable (via front panel toggle) 12au7/6SL7 front end.... hmmm.... I think I can, I think I can...
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I think you can, too, but are the differences between them significant enough to warrant the extra parts and complexity? I don't know -- I'm honestly asking. (And maybe it's not that much more complex -- again, I don't know!) I dig that you're thinking along these lines, though!

12au7 vs. 6SL7 aside, do you, like, fer sure favor the 12au7 over the 12ax7?
 
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MarkA said:
I think you can, too, but are the differences between them significant enough to warrant the extra parts and complexity? I don't know -- I'm honestly asking. (And maybe it's not that much more complex -- again, I don't know!) I dig that you're thinking along these lines, though!

12au7 vs. 6SL7 aside, do you, like, fer sure favor the 12au7 over the 12ax7?
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I'll address it in my Studio preamp thread - no more derailing :) - sorry Mike!
 
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mntngrown said:
Plus Mike says my 48 is louder neeners kesslari. LOL
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:D
Didn't Al Green sing "If bein' louder than you is wrong, I don't wanna be right"?
Louder than the Flex - that's pretty effin' loud. Lordy, they're building some crazy shtuff.
 
#400
"Louder than the flex?". That was my thought as well, the flex 210 is loud enough to induce painful wincing when I hit it hard with my puma 900, not to mention it's dispersion characteristics. I can't imagine needing more volume than that and not having PA support.

That being said, it's pretty freaking crazy that the single 12 is louder.

But It's kind of like saying yes a Bugatti is faster than a Lamborghini, but the speed limit is still 70 miles an hour :-D
 

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