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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

I really lucked out. I sent specs to Ciare on my 6.5's and 8's as well as the 18Sound 5.5. They beat them (handily) on every spec. And added them to their lineup as stock drivers. Ciare has the best engineers and production facilities to rival anyone else's. Meyer Sound used to use exclusively Ciare but as Ciare had business troubles they had to move on. B&C (the largest of the Italian companies) bought them to be even higher quality as far as engineering and production quality. Better than their other lines ( B&C and 18Sound). So there is solid dough behind them.
For me, the drivers drive (pardon the pun) my speaker design. The 6.5's are much better than my custom ones. But the 5.75's are even better.Seems to be a magical relationship with my cabs. See---most guys are very protective as far as their custom drivers. Makes sense in that all are using similar technology. Me---I could care less. I'm not saying that mine are better, but without our technology---it's apples to oranges. So it takes a huge amount of the pressure off me.
I was quite happy with my lineup and had no reason to change. Many think that I'm a flake for introducing new stuff, but I really had no plans to do so. The fact that finding an alternative to Eminence is what caused this.
That's really awesome! Is the new 6.5" a worthwhile upgrade for any of the older 6 cabs?
 
I totally agree with flatback.
I only use Mikes cabs now. I do about 130 shows a year with 3 different bands all on my upright basses. All different volume levels. From big stages to very intimate rooms. You can start and stop a note so incredibly fast. What you play and how you play is transferred to the audience. You are not fighting the cab at loud volumes either. They made my job easier.
 
I totally agree with flatback.
I only use Mikes cabs now. I do about 130 shows a year with 3 different bands all on my upright basses. All different volume levels. From big stages to very intimate rooms. You can start and stop a note so incredibly fast. What you play and how you play is transferred to the audience. You are not fighting the cab at loud volumes either. They made my job easier.

You summed up the the real value and impact of Mike's designs - your audience can actually hear (and feel) what you are playing. :cool: (without having to "fight" to get there!)
 
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20191012_194154.jpg Some pics of my b28 and 1,8 out in the wild
20190917_231345.jpg what my load in looks like at small venues and jam night lol
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20190503_081235.jpg little 1,8 getting some local tv time
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Did a gig yesterday with my MAS 1,8 and a Mesa WD-800. What a glorious sound! It was a fill-in gig, volume levels were reasonable, and everyone loved the sound. Their bass player is having some health issues so I'll be doing some more gigs with them.
 
The newer super cabs may render older versions inferior... but the inferior versions still kick much @ss and outperform a lot of commercially available gear. Used ones can be great bang for the buck.

Exactly which cabs were those at the Seattle GTG a couple of weeks ago? Forgot to ask, but thanks again for letting me take them for a spin!
 
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Exactly which cabs were those at the Seattle GTG a couple of weeks ago? Forgot to ask, but thanks again for letting me take them for a spin!

My pleasure man!

The little stack was a powered MAS-1,8 (ICE700 module) on top of a passive MAS-109 used as an extension.

The cabs got a lot more attention than either of my basses.
 
I want to hear more about the new designs currently under development. Any news?rumors? speculation? Bueller? Bueller?
Since you asked
I think I'm cool with the CUP rules on this
These are prototypes and in development
People complain that "why should I buy one now since in 6 months it will be obsolete?""
Actually I had my line down and was pretty happy. MAS16, MAS18 &28 MAS110, MAS112 and Bodai 28, 110 and 112. I felt pretty solid. Of course there would be little improvements here and there, but the models were cool.
Then Eminence changed their policies because of new management. Instead of buying 50 drivers I had to buy 100. On the Kappalites minimums went from 12 to 25, but would go up to 50. I just don't have access to the cash to do this. I was pretty sure that I would have to close my door.
Then Ciare---the high end of pro sound drivers was going under and was bought by 18Sound. Then 18Sound was bought by B&C. B & C is HUGE. They wanted Ciare to be the absolute highest end drivers. The US distributor is a friend. He asked me for the specs on my drivers. He sent them to Ciare and they handily beat them on the 5's , 6's and 8's. Better all around. The engineering and construction is second to none. Meyer used to use mostly Ciare and had to stop because of Ciare's problems. These new drivers are WAY better than the ones Meyer was using. They cost more. Maybe around 30% more. But that only brings the cab price up by 15%. It's worth it. Oh--and they added my drivers to their standard catalog. (I told them that I preferred this}.So--I can buy them in any quantity. A HUGE weight off of my shoulders.
I feel that the past 5 years were preparatory in terms of solidifying my knowledge and that it all led to this moment. We have learned how to really use this wonderful technology. I have clear knowledge of the goalposts I'm shooting for. I don't worry about competing with other manufacturers---I'm now just competing with myself. A problem with the Ciare 5's and 6's is that they're really flat. My cabs roll off much less than others--a good and a bad thing. Good because I can get more bass weight and extension. Bad because by comparison the mids sound depressed. They have WAY more weight and power than my other speakers. But they cab sound dark because of it. With the Bodai's---no problem because the mids are a completely separate entity and can be easily manipulated. But--the MAS line is my bread and butter. What I needed was a 3db/octave crossover--which doesn't exist. I called up Steve R. and told him the problem . Off the top of his head he came up with a unique idea and said "try this". I did and it worked perfectly. The mids did a gentle upward slope from the point I wanted. I called Duke--he's by far the best crossover guy around. He said " I think I can model this on my software. Duke is a Southern gentleman and never cusses. He ran the modelling and said " Steve is a MF." It modelled like a perfect 3db/octave crossover. That parts the clouds for me. I can't manipulate the woofer from the bottom to 250hz. This is the most important part for me. Thr Ciare's have more weight , impact and extension than any speaker I've tried. Especially the 5's and 6's. They WASTE my other speakers. I can now manipulate the mids and highs to get anything I want.And they are more efficient. The drivers are about 2db more efficient and the new cabs are actually another 2db more efficient. And when you multiply the drivers yo wind up with cabs approaching 100db efficiency. The 18 is only about 95db efficient--but that's 2db better than the previous one. And all of the drivers are available in 8 and 4 ohms.
In the picture are prototypes I'm working on
On the left is a 4x6 Bodai tower on top of a MAS26 tower. I LOVE the towers---clarity, clarity, clarity. Some guys don't like that their amps "muffin top" on them. So I also will have the MAS46--empty cab on the right. A MUCH better version of the original 46. On either the Vd goes up to 750cc's. Much louder than the original 46. A nice thing about the Ciare's is that the Xlim--the point where you're past the Xmax where your drivers will "hit the wall" is much higher.Next to that is a MAS25 on the bottom topped by a Bodai 45 tower. The 45 is around 500cc's. While the original 45 wasn't very good for 5 string, this is better than any previous cab for 5 string. Radbass, Leland Crooks, And Big Red heard this against a Bodai 28 and a new Bodai 110 and all thought that it easily wasted them. For those who don't like towers is the new 45 next to it. It's missing the tweet. I'm not sure if I'll stick with the towers or the cross-firing ones. Each has its advantages.
Ok--next comes the "personal journey" part. Feel free to skip it
As many know, the past year has been incredibly challenging for me. Lots of health challenges that after being resolved led to a much healthier me. Two small strokes and devastating prostate stuff. (I know---too much information.) Well I've now gone from 6 bathroom trips to one. But the biggest breakthrough was last week. My sisters and I have a really hard time falling asleep. My 3 sisters take Ambien every day. Instead, for the past 40 years I've smoked or vaped to get to sleep. Never during the day, NEVER when I'm playing. Well--also---I'm always in a hurry so if I can't find my dust mask--I do without. Which was most of the time. 11 days ago I was going to bed and took one vape hit (I have a prescription) .I immediately started coughing uncontrollably. And my lungs seized in an acute asthma attack. I don't have asthma normally, but do have an inhaler on hand. I couldn't breathe at all. Three puffs and 3 Benadryls got me past the critical point. I called my doctor in the morning--A bass player and friend and head of medicine at a major Chicago hospital. He put me on serious steroids. No more vaping---ever. I decided no edibles or tinctures either.
I was petrified---I hadn't gone to sleep without in 40 years. I'd bring Ambien on the road if needed.
My son had me watch a Joe Rogan podcast with a sleep expert from Stanford. He said that if one uses cannabis, alchohol, or sleep aids that you bypass REM sleep and go directly to deep sleep. He said that you don't dream, or dream very subtlety but likely not at all. He said that you are constantly sleep deprived. I realized that I'd been sleep deprived for 40 years. In the past 5 years I've felt like i was "swimming through Jello" as far as life. I was always super fatigued and clinically depressed. I had to take a nap every afternoon. My concentration was crap. Everything was crap.
Well--it's been 11 days and I feel like I've awoken from a bad dream. Which was my life. My dreams are INSANELY powerul. Like in Technicolor. I can remember every detail from a dream a week ago. I wake up happy and hopeful. Sounds corny--but true. My depression has gone away. My sinuses are open. My allergies are gone. I've never felt this good. I'm now super excited about my speakers and am determined to become an expert at filter design and am confident that I can improve them to a level that I couldn't imagine. I no longer have to nap. I played a gig a few days ago. I can't remember playing better. It's like I had ten minutes between each note to make decisions.
I know this sounds like I'm totally nuts but I feel like e very different person. I'm just sharing this (way too much information) because I'm more than a little embarrassed as to how I've behaved on this forum in the past. I'm not making excuses---I've been a real weenie a lot of the time. I'm super stoked about going forward. It's pretty embarrassing sharing this, but I feel that all of those who have my cabs are good friends. I now feel like I can be a good friend back.
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Mike,

Glad things are looking up for you personally and that you're feeling new excitement for the speakers (among other things).

It's hard to admit to "being a weenie sometimes" (though I think that most of us, if we are honest with ourselves, will recognize weenie moments) but, hey, onward and upward.

The new designs look and sound intriguing. I'll be interested to give them a whirl sometime.

Good luck with everything moving forward.
 
I know this sounds like I'm totally nuts but I feel like e very different person.

Hi Mike. If I never heard a story like yours before, I might think that you are nuts. But my friend's story is similar to yours, so I've seen this before.

Many years ago he was a maniac; brilliant, fierce, funny, creative, mysterious... and crazy. Back then he asked me about a skin problem he was having. I suggested a few simple dietary changes. After two rounds of this, he did a hard 180: raw food, super-clean diet, straight edge. Behaviorally he changed almost completely. He calmed down. All the dark, aggressive, mercurial stuff vanished. His voice and eyes changed. It was amazing. He's still a pain in my neck, but he got his life back and is a better person for everyone else, too.

So I congratulate you on your newfound freedom. I'm sorry that you suffered for so long. But now you are free! Now you can innovate, make beauty, be happy, and be a source of happiness for others. Who's better than you?