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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

Ok---I get it. Yeah---the new 25--as a mid and high speaker would quite literally keep up with any cab or sub I make. If I made one to double as a coffee house cab or a mid-high top I would probably recommend using one Ciare tweet in it. Maybe with a switch.

Sub portion---man---I'd consider what we call the MA112 Essential. It's really a MAS112 without the mids and tweets.The 12" 18sound actually sounds nice and punchy up to 3k. I've happily used it on gigs.An MA112 would go as loud as two of the 110 subs and cost the same as one of them.

If the 25 was crossed over above 300hz---it would keep up with the 112 as a sub--no sweat.

Whoa -- I didn't think this Frankenstein thing would work, but it looks like it might. I want to know if you go ahead with this! Are you talking about a "sub only" (no crossover, etc.) MA112 here, Mike?

As far as a 66 + 26 rig, could you make the top cab with two, 8-Ohm drivers in series (16 Ohms)? If the current 66 is 5.3 Ohms (I think it is, but not sure) that should give you a 4 Ohm load. The cab might be overkill (and would totally be for the stated use) but you could drive the heck out of it with that Demeter. You could even wire the top cab with a series/parallel (16/4 Ohm) switch. Maybe there are obstacles I'm not seeing though. I think you could do the same 16/4 Ohm switchable thing and put it on top of an 8 Ohm 46 and still drive it hard with that Demeter. Easier to type up than to wire up, I suspect. Then again, with an 800W @ 4Ohms amp, might be better to leave the top non-switchable at 16 Ohms.
 
MAS112 showed up today! Only had about 20 min to spend with it, but initial impressions are favorable. excellent form factor. Plenty of everything, easy schlep, good with recorded music. More when I get more time with it!

Cool! "Plenty of everything" seems a good description -- that cab struck me as strong from bottom to top. Since you've had a 210 Flex, I'll be particularly interested in your impressions as to how they compare. Does yours have a tweeter in it?
 
Cool! "Plenty of everything" seems a good description -- that cab struck me as strong from bottom to top. Since you've had a 210 Flex, I'll be particularly interested in your impressions as to how they compare. Does yours have a tweeter in it?
It does have the tweeter, and that was only because I sometimes liked to kick it on with the 210. I think these 4" Fatials have more going on up high than the 6"ers did and I could easily be happy without the tweet. Hopefully I will find some time to spend really getting know the cab soon.
 
Yeah---here are our thoughts
The 109, 110 and 112 are based on what we call the Rach-E waveguide. It's a different geometry than the original 2 drivers crossfiring configuration. It's meant to optimize a single driver and still get the crossfiring and other MVW benefits. But--the original design (which is still used in many cabs--for me the 26 and 46) for lets say---two drivers crossfiring is not twice the width of the Rach-E.

So--if we run it vertically, the 215 would only be about 6" taller than the 115. It's going to likely be around 22" wide and 24" deep and weigh around 95#. Initially it was just a fun project. But what speaker does every backline and sound company have? An 810. An 810 has the VD (air moving capacity) of around 1100 to 1200 cc's. The amount of air a cab can move can essentially determine how loud it can go--for a bass player.The 115 would move around 1600cc's. The 215 about 3200cc's. A typical 215 cab would move around 1600 to 1700 cc's. So we were thinking that the 215 might be good for backline and sound companies.

Cool to know about the different waveguides. As for the 215, sounds like a cool idea for sound companies -- thinking of those big stages you see at summer festivals. I was just a bit taken aback by the thought of two-and-a-half 810s!
 
On its side---better as a sub.

The 112 and 210 go similar volumes. The 210 is punchy in the mid to upper bass region with a tilt toward the "warmer" side. It goes very low, but is tighter/leaner in the 40 to 140 hz range. Super strong bass, but quick and nimble.

The 112 is flatter in the upper bass region. And it stays flay all the way down. But it is very fast. Duke says that the leading edge of the low end pops out more than any bass speaker he's heard. It's a more visceral/powerful bass. Buy with great speed and control.

The 210 has a bit of an illusion thing going. The slightly less prominent lower bass (I'm just saying that it's about 2 to 3db lower from 40 to 150hz---it's still there very strong into the 30's)(quickness) is offset by a slightly more prominent mid/upper bass (warmth).

I'm a pizzicato funk guy. Two of my favorite bassists

MAS112---Paul Jackson---speed and power. More weight

210---Bernard Edwards with another octave lower. Nimbleness and articulation, but with actual low end.

Maybe this would be a good time to repost this:



That's nomatic playing through his 210 Flex, from an earlier post of his in this thread. Of course, now I can't find it. Just listened to it through a good pair of headphones and picked up stuff I didn't the first time I heard it. Impressive for camera audio.

In other news, I've forgotten how to make the multi-quote work. That is all.
 
Cool! "Plenty of everything" seems a good description -- that cab struck me as strong from bottom to top. Since you've had a 210 Flex, I'll be particularly interested in your impressions as to how they compare. Does yours have a tweeter in it?

3rdCirve. I'm also interested in your comparison of the two... Enjoy the new beast, get to know it, and let us know! Please. :D
 
Maybe this would be a good time to repost this:



That's nomatic playing through his 210 Flex, from an earlier post of his in this thread. Of course, now I can't find it. Just listened to it through a good pair of headphones and picked up stuff I didn't the first time I heard it. Impressive for camera audio.

In other news, I've forgotten how to make the multi-quote work. That is all.


I forgot about this clip, great player, greeeaaat tone! And you are correct, headphones make a world of difference on this clip.
 
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Ok---I get it. Yeah---the new 25--as a mid and high speaker would quite literally keep up with any cab or sub I make. If I made one to double as a coffee house cab or a mid-high top I would probably recommend using one Ciare tweet in it. Maybe with a switch.

Sub portion---man---I'd consider what we call the MA112 Essential. It's really a MAS112 without the mids and tweets.The 12" 18sound actually sounds nice and punchy up to 3k. I've happily used it on gigs.An MA112 would go as loud as two of the 110 subs and cost the same as one of them.

If the 25 was crossed over above 300hz---it would keep up with the 112 as a sub--no sweat.


Ok, so here is another musing I have...

Stick with me here, hehe.

If I were to go the route of preamp and LG IPD1200, the downside is a lot of the amps power would be left on the table. If I were to use an 8 ohm 25 and the 8 ohm eighteen sound 12" Essential, the amp would be putting out 300 watts to each. A lot for the 25, but if it's only performing at 300 hz and up, it may be fine. It's 600 watts which I'm sure would kill, but a lot left on the table from the 1200 watt amp.

So here is what I'm asking. Suppose I were to go with a regular amp. I will refer to the Demeter VTBP-M-800D since it is one of the amps I am looking at.

It only has one channel of power hence, no built in crossovers.
I dunno if it's possible, but is it possible to have one input on the 25 that is full range, for home and coffee shop level gigging, then a second input based on a generic 2 way crossover around 300 hz which would have High pass to the 25 and an output for low pass to the next cabinet, the MAS-112 essential.

I say generic because in a one off scenerio like this, I would not want to stir the pot with crossover designing etc.
In addition, the reason I would want this crossover in the 25 is so that when I took it to the few practice studios I go to, I could cross the 25 as a mid high speaker to the house cab as a low speaker, effectively keeping 90% of the tone I am used to and only bringing a pocket sized cab with me.

In this scenerio, I could do a 16 ohm 25, and parallel it to the 8 ohm essential effectively getting a 5.3 ohm load.
From an amp like the one in question, I'd probably see 400 watts or so into the Essential and maybe 250+ into the 25, which may or may not balance better, but definitely would give me more effective use of the amps power than the IPD.

The downsides would be that I cannot adjust volumes for each channel individually, but if the balance of power is good, then that would be a non issue.

The other downside would be, in this scenerio if the house cab at a practice studio were a 4 ohm cab, the head would see. 16 ohm and 4 ohm load, paralleled at 3.2 ohms. This may be danger zone for the amp, depending on the amp I guess.

Sorry for the long post, but this concept of a tiny cab that can serve as a Swiss Army knife in every scenerio is very intriguing to me.

So, if you have the time and want to discuss the feasibility of this option, I'd be interested.

Thanks in advance.
 
Note:
I've been writing this off-and-on for a week or more. It's gotten out-of-hand. Instead of letting it go like a sensible person would, I've attempted to finish it. So, I'm posting what follows in two parts. The first gives some background (I talk about my childhood and the influence of Saturday morning cartoons) and relates impressions of some of the early/prototype Big E cabs. You can skip this part entirely if you want to and miss nothing about the current cabs. A sensible person would probably do this. The second part talks about the cabs I played the other day at Mike's.

There are more experienced players with more time on these cabs than I have. I claim no special qualifications aside from being detail-oriented and a little OCD. I was also lucky enough to be one of the first TBers to stumble across the Big E cabs. (I can't take credit for that -- it was my guitar-playing younger brother who found and contacted the guys in Piper City, IL -- but it means that I've gotten to sample these cabs, however briefly, at various stages of their development.)
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I.

The first time I played through these cabs -- summertime, a little over two years ago -- I nearly pooped my pants (translation: I was positively impressed). And I think that they've come a long way since then.

Those first cabs I played were prototypes in various stages of development. While impressive in respects, they were still kind of rough-around-the-edges. The 25s were lively sounding and louder than they looked, but didn't give the impression that they could be pushed very hard. The 26 was this brash little beast, roughly the size and shape of a ghetto-blaster, with a tweeter that looked like something out of The Rocketeer and a shockingly clear slap-sound. A couple of them would have made a neat rig, but that proto-26 sounded (in contrast to the current sixes) somewhat thin underneath its big tweeter -- and I forgot about it once I heard the next cab. The Faital-loaded 2x8 was the roughest-looking of the bunch, with sharp edges and bulbous, metal corners (to be fair, I don't think Mike built that one), but it had the most organic, warm, growly midrange I'd ever heardout of an electric bass rig (and this through Mike's EA Doubler). While the other cabs had something neat going on with the dispersion, the 2x8 was a jaw-dropper. String players sometimes talk about “playing the room instead of the instrument.” Playing through this cab was like that. My brother was with me on that trip and I remember the two of us looking at each other after I played the first notes through that cab – the mids growled like something alive, and the sound seemed to come from everywhere at once. It felt more responsive to my right hand than anything I'd played before – the cab and the room felt like an extension of the bass. I felt like I was playing an acoustic instrument. Thing is, it (the cab) was awkward. Set horizontally, it was low and wide. Set vertically, it didn't sound or feel the same. Mike told me that they were going to try different drivers in it (the OEMs in mtngrown's 4x8, I think), since the Faitals didn't go as low as he'd like. Playing that cab was a rush, but I wasn't sure about these unknown drivers-to-come or the form-factor. Then summer was over and there were other things to tend to. It would be some time before I got a Big E cab of my own, but the memory of playing that 2x8 stayed with me and is in large part responsible for my interest in the cabs since then.

The following summer, I visited Mike again. We took an 85, a 25, a first-gen 46, my Dr. Bass 212, and an early Flex 110 outside and pushed them hard enough that the Dr. Bass and the 85 started to show signs of stress. Summary:
  • 85 – prettiest and most efficient with the most natural-sounding mids.
  • Flex – funkiest and baddest down low.
  • 46 – less midrange personality than the other cabs, but more low-end than the 85, more portable than the Flex, and the best all-around for (no, not “for metal”) making the most of a 500-watt micro.
The 5” and 6” cabs were leaps and bounds ahead of what I'd heard just a year before. The Flex was exciting – the mids were very good (though I still had the “magic mids” of the 2x8 in my head) and the bottom octave articulation was insane – but it was an 8 Ohm cab (I was hoping for 4). The 46 was less thrilling, but seemed more practical...

You know, while the weather was great and Mike was gracious, that cab trial happened under less than ideal circumstances for me. My ears were ringing due to a loud concert the night before, I'd foolishly brought along instruments I was less than familiar with, and, honestly, I was still chasing the memory of a sound and looking for a not-very-clearly-defined combination of tone, feel, and modularity. (In other words, I had an aural hangover and didn't know what I wanted.) Listening to the cabs next to my 212 (which I was familiar with and knew I liked – just not that day!), I could tell they were performing well – I could hear how much more open the 85 sounded and how crazily articulate the Flex was in the bottom octave – but nothing “clicked” for me like I expected it to. While I mulled this over, summer ended again. More Big E developments were in the works (Mike mentioned a “210 Flex” among other things), so I waited. Eventually, I decided that, whether or not it ended up being “the one” (like a cab has to be forever), I needed to get a Big E cab of my own. I wanted to experience the “Big E thing” at my own pace – check it out, live and at home, and confirm for myself whether the transformative experience I'd had playing that early 2x8 was “for real” or a fluke. I snagged a 2nd gen. 66 in the classifieds a few months ago and have been playing it alongside my familiar 212 since, comparing the cabs at home and taking them out in turns. (You can read my impressions of that cab here and here.)

At this point, I know that the Big E cabs do things that my Dr. Bass 212 doesn't, but I keep it around because 1) It's a good cab. I really do like it more than most of the other stuff I encounter. 2) It works well with my smaller amps – 4 Ohms, mid-forward, and efficient makes it a good match for a Walkabout, and an F500 can push it admirably. 3) It gives me a frame of reference: The mid-loaded/mid-forward thing works well for me – harmonics pop, chords are clear, and there are no “holes” in the bass sound. It can be improved on, sure, but having it around for now helps me make sure I don't lose sight of what I like about it as I chase something new.

With cabs, there is how they're voiced and how they present the sound. I know that there's some controversy surrounding the Big E cabs on the latter front. I won't pretend to settle it (and the ground's been covered already) but here are my observations: These cabs do not magically reconfigure the space around you. I took my 66 and a borrowed 45 into one of my least favorite rooms for electric bass, a big room that's mostly hard surfaces and echoes. It was still hard surfaces and echoes with those cabs and, when I left, still one of my least favorite rooms for electric bass. However, my 66 seems less prone to certain spatial anomalies (Star Trek, yo) than other cabs I've used. I've intentionally put it into corners and in spots on stage that have resulted in pronounced, note-specific boom with other cabs and the effect has been minimal with the 66. I've walked around at jams, listening while others have played through the cab, and the sound through the 66 has been more even than that of the other instruments through the PA, let alone through their amps on stage. Whether or not the Big E cabs sound “better” than your favorite cab depends on you. I like the upper mids on my 212 more than on the 2nd gen. 66, but another local player is crazy over how “deep” the 66 sounds. Of the current Big E cabs, I like the voicing of the 5-inchers more than that of the 6-inchers. In some contexts, I can't think of a better sound than an 810 pushed hard – Mike might have a cab that will do that, but I know that my 66 won't – I don't think it will, anyway! I can't say what you'll like. I can say that these are the least “boxy” sounding cabs I've heard (this can be expressed better), that my 66 opens up with power in a way I haven't heard other cabs do, and that staccato notes in the bottom octave are handled extremely well. More subtly and more subjectively, locking in with a kick drum is easier, a busy mix seems more open, and, yes, unevenness in my right hand attack is easier to detect. That said, when other bassists have played through my cab, their reaction hasn't been, “What is this alien technology?!” but, “Dude, I like your rig. What is it – one of those Phil Jones deals?” There's nothing weird going on – it's just solid and easy to play.

I like that Mike's constantly pounding on and tweaking these things himself, that he avails himself of the expertise of people like Duke, and that he's in communication with folks who are gigging his cabs. I like, too, that the developers of the technology, while deeply involved, are smart enough to listen to someone who's got a feel for its application (bass playing, in this case). From what I can see, the current cabs all build on the strengths of the earlier ones while systematically addressing their weaknesses (voicing, IMO, keeps getting better) and I don't get the impression that development is going to stop anytime soon.
 
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II.

This brings us to my most recent visit with Mike. As mentioned previously, we played loud-ish for awhile then turned down. I played lots of chords and harmonics and chords with harmonics. And some slap. And some staccato stuff down low. But lots of chords and harmonics. This went on for hours. Mike's dog got hungry (okay, I feel bad about that). The usual caveats about living rooms vs. gigs and your hands and ears vs. mine apply. My main bass is an EMG-loaded reverse-P/J, and that's what I played.

Generally, I listen for:
  • Even response. This doesn't necessarily have to do with a specific voicing or EQ, but whether or not you can play from the bottom to the top of the instrument without any weird peaks or valleys.
  • Well-integrated components. Is the sound “of a piece” or do I hear woofer/midrange/tweeter?
  • Transients. I slap, I don't use a compressor, and I am not ashamed.
  • Harmonics. Some cabs, like some pickups, strings, tubes, and amps, are better at making these “pop” than others.
  • Mids. Both their presence and their character – I like growl, and I'd rather dial it back than try to dial in what's not there. Moreover, I find good mids critical in distinguishing pitch in a busy mix, especially when I'm playing fretless.
Beyond that, I look for a feeling of connection between what I'm doing and the sound produced – that “acoustic instrument” feeling I mentioned earlier. Some of this has more to do with psychology than gear, but some of it has to do with gear. I come from playing doublebass and cello (and trombone 'til I was 18 :)) and if I can get close to the sense of immediacy I have playing those instruments when I play electric bass, I'm happy. Last and most subjective: Do I like the sound I'm getting?

Even response: I can't fault any of the Big E cabs here. Low on the E-string, middle of the D-string, high on the G-string, all good. I don't recall any funny notes. I didn't play chromatic scales through the range of the instrument, which I'd do if I really wanted to zero in on this, but nothing stuck out.

Integration: I've said elsewhere that I like my highs, but I'm a bit allergic to tweeters. Standing right on top of my 2nd gen 66 on a tight stage, I hear a bit of woofer/tweeter (might help if I tilted it a bit). By the time you reach the edge of a small stage/first audience members, it's a non-issue – nice and smooth. (I'm not sure that it has entirely to do with frequency response, since the effect lessens quickly with distance and I don't hear the same hole between woofer and tweeter that I do in a lot of two-way cabs.) I didn't try standing “on top” of the newer 66, but I was never more than a few feet from it and don't recall hearing any funny transition between woofer and mids or the mids and tweeter. (I find any tweeter bright at high volume in a reverberant space like Mike's living room, but that's a different issue.) The 45, though only a 2-way, was beautiful and beautifully integrated. If you were going to sing through one of the cabs there that day, that would be the one. I was enough taken aback by the low end presentation of the MAS 112 that I forgot to listen specifically for this, but we played this cab more than any other, with a variety of heads, and I didn't hear anything untoward. Mid/tweeter integration on the 112 was good, and the mids go really high – I thought the tweeter was on when it wasn't. When we put it in, it didn't so much add another sound as change the character of the very top end – more pointed, more polished. In comparison, the tweeter on my Epifani PS112, which I think nicer than those found in lots of cabs, sounded harsh and disconnected, even dialed down to 9:00-10:00.

Transients (listening particularly for the lowest octave): The 45 sounded great slapped at low and medium volumes. Better than the Epifani, which slaps well and has a considerably bigger box. Booty was thicker and low notes were more articulate. I don't know where the 45's limits are or how it would behave as you approached them with that kind of playing, but I wouldn't be surprised if it hung with the Epifani or even surpassed it a little. IMO, this cab is a substantial improvement over the 1st generation 45 I borrowed for a week from a friend. It handles the low end of an electric – at least my 4-string – much better. Both 66s go easily lower than the 45. (They might go lower than the 112, not sure.) Whereas I'd worry about hammering the 45 at volume slapped, no such reservations with a 66. More full and more dynamic on slapped low Es,Fs and Gs than my Dr. Bass or the 45. (Misc. note: the newer 66 is 5.3 ohms, whereas mine is 6, so it's effectively a bit more sensitive.) MAS 112: No compression at all, that I could hear, on the lowest notes. Fully as dynamic on an open E as it is two octaves up. No overhang. Slightly frightening. I remember the Flex being something like this, but the placement of the “hit” was different (chest/Flex vs. gut/112).

Harmonics: This is one of the reasons I keep the Dr. Bass around. It presents harmonics better than any woofer + tweeter cab I've heard. (It's loaded with a 6.5” Faital mid, which I think brings out the meat of our harmonics better than most tweeters.) It's my yardstick for this.
  • 1st place: MAS 45 Beautiful (no harshness up top), full (harmonics sound like “real” notes, not a whispery effect), and effortless.
  • 2Nd place: MAS 112 Not quite as smooth or full as the 45, but still present and easy to sound.
  • 3rd place: Dr. Bass 212Harmonics maybe a bit thicker than the 112 (not sure) and sound easily, but the 6.5” mid doesn't go as high as the 4” mids (which are half-tweeter) do, so it misses some air up top, and the 112 sounds more open all around, even just playing harmonics.
  • 4Th place: 3rd gen. 66, which does get that air up top and actually did pretty well – you can play harmonics with this cab, no problem – it's just not voiced to make them pop like the others by default.
  • 5Th place: 2nd gen. 66 – again, you can play harmonics with the cab (I use them live), but they're not its strong suit and it doesn't have the quite the detail in the upper mids that the new 66, with its dedicated drivers, does.
  • 6th place: Epifani PS 112.Again, you can effectively employ harmonics with this cab (I just pulled out my bass and goofed around on it for a few minutes). They sound as prominently – maybe even bit moreso – than with the 2nd gen 66, but the 66 has a nicer top end and a more open presentation.
For the record, while I incorporate harmonics into my playing, I find that a cab that handles them well generally has other qualities I like (they make up part of the sound of stopped notes, after all). Note: I didn't play a Flex or a 109.

Mids: Depends what you're looking for. If I were playing solo, the 45, no question. It's the prettiest-sounding cab I can recall playing through – mids included – and it manages this without sounding syrupy or hyped. The mids on the 112 are present and on the raw side, but they don't sound wanky or harsh – I think you could dial in “harsh” if you wanted to and that the cab could get plenty aggressive in response to technique, but one of my favorite moments of that evening was plugging JGRs Box O' Tone into his poweramp into the 112. All of those pieces are, I would say, voiced on the bright/open/aggressive side – I brushed my strings lightly and could hear every winding – but the sound was still beautifully complex; raw but not ganky, really nice for chords. I liked it a lot. The newest 66 has detailed, balanced mids, but they're not as forward as those of the other cabs. Playing it with the Demeter HBP and dialing back a bit of upper-bass with the parametric EQ brought them out, though. It's a versatile cab and I bet a lot of people will be attracted to its voicing – my 66 slots beautifully into a mix and I bet this would even better. I still like the midrange detail and presence of my 212, but next to the 112 (its closest Big E analogue) it sounds boxed-in by comparison. In terms of my own preference, I'd rank mids pretty much like I did harmonics (with 1st and 2nd being a tossup depending on the mix – 112 sounds like it would cut better).

Miscellaneous:

As bright (not spiky tweeter-bright, but present upper mids bright) and open as the MAS 112 sounded, I worried I wouldn't be able to cop an old-school Motown tone with it (I don't spend a lot of time there, but I visit on occasion), so I flipped to the neck pickup and started rolling my tone down gradually. The whole tone knob was useable. Can't say that about a lot of rigs (this was with the BOT and poweramp). As for Motown, I might need a little work and strings older than 48 hours (changed 'em shortly before visiting Mike).

Amp-wise, the BOT and the Sonic Farm into JGR's Ice-amp were the stars of the night. Both very detailed and open up top. The BOT's a little gnarlier and a little hairier (but still controlled) down low. The SF's a little smoother, a little sweeter sounding, with super-complex mids, and not as thick down low. Both sounded good through everything, but the BOT was the consensus favorite with the MAS 112 – kinda yin/yin in terms of personality, but yin/yang in that the 112s strong-but-lean low end balanced out the bit of wool of the BOT's low end. The SF was a fave with the slightly thicker 45. Can't remember what worked best with the 66.

Speaking of 66s, if you have the older one and like it, you'll like the newer one. Same basic voicing and presentation (deep, wide, warm, round, but still articulates well and doesn't roll off up top like you'd expect “warm, round” cabs to do). There is less of an upper-bass hump – sounds just a little tighter down low – in the newer cab, and a little more mid presence. Mids are more detailed, as well. My 2nd gen. 66 is with Mike now. I've asked him to install the “pressure regulator” gizmo and to pad back the tweeters a couple of dB, which should bring the voicing more in line with that of the current 66. The new 66 (3-way) will still be more present and detailed in the mids than mine (2-way).

Walkabout/Sub-4 Ohm Optimization Rig: Though it wasn't on my radar, it would've been interesting to hear an MA-109. From talking with Mike, I get the impression that they're a warmer-voiced, more laid-back cab than the 112 or the Flex. I wonder how a stack of those would do with a Walkabout? You could run three for about the price of a 46 + 26. Both configurations would result in a nominal 2.7 Ohm load, and both would give you more or less the same sound practicing as playing a big gig. (These could be interesting options, not just for the little Mesa, but for any head capable of going below 4 Ohms: The Baer Valkyrie, My Genz GBE 1200, and a bunch of the Acoustic Image heads come to mind.)

Little amps aside, I'd have loved to hear a Flex next to the 112. Mike recommends the 45+110 more for doublers, but that'd have been interesting to hear, too.

If something else was supposed to go here, I forgot.

Many thanks to Mike for letting me visit.
-Mark
 
Thanks for the report, MarkA!

An MAS112 is in my future--seems like a very good choice for a bar band player like me--so while I save up the bread (the summertime home improvements, the property tax bill, and an unfortunate encounter between a !#!@##@!# deer and my SO's car on the way to one of our gigs have slowed my progress...) I've been pondering the options.

So I'd be very interested in folks' comments about these things:

1. About the handle/wheels option, is the cab tall enough for tilt-and-roll to be comfortable for a six-foot guy like me? A while back I had a GK 2-10 combo with wheels and a pull-up handle, but I had to lean over when I pulled it. Alternatively, I've got a Magna Cart I could strap the MAS112 to...

2. About the MoMids option, it sounds like the cab is pretty mid-detailed in stock config. I've been gigging a pair of Baer ML112s since they first came out, and while they serve me well they're even a bit more mid-forward than I need. Whaddaya figure?

3. About the tweet, I gather the cab has good response up to 12KHz or so. That sounds like plenty to me (on woofer/tweeter cabs I always rein the tweeter in considerably), but whaddaya figure?

Thanks in advance for any and all comments!
 
Thanks for the report, MarkA!

An MAS112 is in my future--seems like a very good choice for a bar band player like me--so while I save up the bread (the summertime home improvements, the property tax bill, and an unfortunate encounter between a !#!@##@!# deer and my SO's car on the way to one of our gigs have slowed my progress...) I've been pondering the options.

So I'd be very interested in folks' comments about these things:

1. About the handle/wheels option, is the cab tall enough for tilt-and-roll to be comfortable for a six-foot guy like me? A while back I had a GK 2-10 combo with wheels and a pull-up handle, but I had to lean over when I pulled it. Alternatively, I've got a Magna Cart I could strap the MAS112 to...

2. About the MoMids option, it sounds like the cab is pretty mid-detailed in stock config. I've been gigging a pair of Baer ML112s since they first came out, and while they serve me well they're even a bit more mid-forward than I need. Whaddaya figure?

3. About the tweet, I gather the cab has good response up to 12KHz or so. That sounds like plenty to me (on woofer/tweeter cabs I always rein the tweeter in considerably), but whaddaya figure?

Thanks in advance for any and all comments!

I'll defer to johnnybass on the handle/roll-around. Cab's 32" tall and handle's at/near the top-back corner, if that helps.

I've thought about the mo' mids (which I haven't heard) and the tweeter (which I have). I'm pretty sure I've got the same mid in my 212 that you do in your Baers. I've never had it out and thought, "Gee, I wish this had a tweeter," and I do plenty of slapping, chording, harmonics, etc. The 4" mids in the MAS 112 go a good deal higher to my ear (like a mid + half a tweeter). If I didn't get the mo' mids, I'd be tempted to get the switchable tweeter (despite my aforementioned allergy) just to have the option, but I wouldn't classify it as a "need" at all.

Would mo' mids be mo' betta? I dunno -- not sure which way I'd go on that for myself, but the MAS 112 has plenty of mid presence as is. I've only heard the Baers in recordings (clips here and on youtube), so can't make a direct comparison, but I generally dig that kind of mid presentation. Mike can tell you more. Maybe some of the folks getting 112s have some experience with the Baers.
 
I'll defer to johnnybass on the handle/roll-around. Cab's 32" tall and handle's at/near the top-back corner, if that helps.

Aha! It does...

So I got out my steel tape measure, set it to 32" showing, and wandered around the house pretending the spool of the thing was the handle and the tip of the blade was the bottom of the cab, trailing my legs. I gotta lean over _slightly_ but it's not bad.

Hmn. Maybe I could OEM some tape measures and sell them on eBay as Analog True Bypass Rolling Speaker Cabinet Transport Ergonomics Simulators...eh, the acronym would be long enough, at least...
 
Aha! It does...

So I got out my steel tape measure, set it to 32" showing, and wandered around the house pretending the spool of the thing was the handle and the tip of the blade was the bottom of the cab, trailing my legs. I gotta lean over _slightly_ but it's not bad.

Hmn. Maybe I could OEM some tape measures and sell them on eBay as Analog True Bypass Rolling Speaker Cabinet Transport Ergonomics Simulators...eh, the acronym would be long enough, at least...

I think you need to step up your game and put some wheels on a cardboard box (mostly kidding).

And... you need a new acronym (mostly not-kidding). ATBRSCTES?