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I've seen both live.
Waters is lacking nothing, that Gilmore could potentially provide.
Following the logic that bands that were a huge success, split up and the members did not do anything big afterwards did a big mistake in splitting up, you could turn the argument around and say that bands that did some exceptional records and then dwindled down into mediocrity did the same big mistake by NOT splitting up.
I think the biggest mistake any successful band has ever made is breaking up or replacing members and then not publicly and positively acknowledging the original members who helped make them famous....you can insert almost any famous band from the 70's
I wouldn't really consider it a mistake. Of course there was a ton of detractors at first, but a lot of people have accepted William. He grew into the role and is doing a damn good job. The only negative comments I see are from a minority of hardcore fans.
Um, dude - Dio was AMAZING with Sabbath. "Heaven and Hell," "Mob Rules," etc.
Actually, the makeup ran its course by that point. "Lick it up," "Animalize," and "Asylum" (the first three post-makeup albums) all went platinum. Granted, the non-makeup era eventually ran its course too, but the notion that Kiss was ill served by the initial change is factually untrue.
Eh, Metallica's "Death Magentic" was good, I thought, but many had issues with Rubin's production. Bob Ezrin's last makeup era collaboration with Kiss, "(Music From) The Elder," was a disaster, one that within a few years time necessitated the aforementioned image change.
For us, maybe, but let's face it: they couldn't get along by the end. Besides, they all made more money after the fact; breaking up, then, might have been the best thing for them to do (created scarcity and mystique).
1 - Why was the Beatles breakup idiotic? They had done everything they could as the Beatles
2 - Slash sucks IMO, Axl had made 10x at least if not more than Slash ever did because he owns the name.
3 - Why was Pink Floyd breaking up dumb? They didn't get along. There was nothing they could do as Pink Floyd.
The truth with this and the other instances you mentioned is that musicians are artists. They make decisions. Those decisions aren't always based on money. Sometimes they are. The only one who can call them mistakes is the musician themselves.
Waters can hire thousands of great musicians to fill in for Gilmour, Wright and Mason, but they problem lies that he is not such a good composer. The Wall shows that, and The Final Cut too. If he's writing the music himself (Final Cut, Pros And Cons, etc) his albums tend to be dull, repetitive and gloomy. Granted, Gilmour and co don't care for lyrics, but to be honest, as a life-long Floyd fan, I stopped caring about Waters' whining a long time ago too. Waters leaving the band and them continuing without him was a good move and a little bit of karma, if you believe in that stuff.
I disagree with everything you said except the Beatles comment.
Thought the Dio Sabbath sucked and anything else Dio ever did, to me his singing sounds like a romance novel.
I think the makeup ran it's course with Alice Cooper and few others, and that Kiss should have never existed.
Kiss was designed for 10 year old boys who watch cartoons...and without makeup, no more cartoon characters, and they certainly were not musicians, so what's left?...even Bob Ezrin could not help Kiss.
I was as well until I finally saw Gilmour live.
The experience of seeing the Wall tour twice, and seeing how committed and passionate Roger was, and then catching Gilmour's phoned in, "I clearly don't want to be onstage", performance, and underwhelming stage show (e.g. lighting was basically the stuff he used in 2006, which is really outdated by current standards) last tour....kinda put a nail in that coffin.
That Wall tour was a modern, expensive show; no expenses were spared on making that experience awesome for the audience. It reminded me that Waters is a passionated committed artist first, and foremost.
Gilmour's tour charged a similar amount, but was clearly more focused on profitability than actually presenting a good show. It was so poorly presented that it seemed like whoever was responsible either wasn't capable of knowing what a modern show should be like, or just did not care at all.
It made me, personally, accept that Roger was always the committed artist he claimed he was...and that Gilmour was the "not-artist, in it for the cash" type he's been accused of being.
YMMV.
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I liked Dio in Rainbow, Sabbath, his own band and Butterfly Ball.
(A big mistake was Sacha Distel singing a Dio song.)
Alice Cooper did Killer and Billion Dollar Babies, dunno about a lot else.
I used to play Detroit Rock City in a band when I was at school; that was a good Kiss track.
The Archies not doing a follow-up to, Sugar Sugar.
How about that the Monkees were supposed to do this song but turned it down because they wanted to do Country Western music
A massive pile of hit songs that are still listened to?
While Gene are Paul aren't the most impressive guys technically, they were both diligent competent songwriters with a very strong drive to succeed.
As is, a huge chunk of their recorded output was done with session guys. Peter by the fourth album, for example, was almost always replaced by a session guy. So the actual *players* on a lot of their stuff *are* musicians. So....I'm unclear on your point.
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Well, now we're just running into opinion, then.
I thought this thread was going to be about mistakes bands we were in made
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Telling Jason Flom we (well specifically the band's singer)weren't interested in his vision when he was about to break through as one of the biggest record company businessman of all time. (although I think getting rid of me was part of that vision
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Telling Trevor Horn and associates that a song he wanted to re record of ours was under contract. Losing the record company's interest while the original company would have let us out for nothing. (We actually never asked the original company. My idea was to tell the new company AFTER they invested money into a new recording)
Chosing another producer over Scott Litt. While the other producer did a fine job, Scott may have done better and certainly turned out to have a more distinguished career. He couldn't have made the songs better because he didn't write them but over time would have gotten them more exposure.
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Telling Jason Flom we (well specifically the band's singer)weren't interested in his vision when he was about to break through as one of the biggest record company businessman of all time. (although I think getting rid of me was part of that vision
) Telling Trevor Horn and associates that a song he wanted to re record of ours was under contract. Losing the record company's interest while the original company would have let us out for nothing. (We actually never asked the original company. My idea was to tell the new company AFTER they invested money into a new recording)
Chosing another producer over Scott Litt. While the other producer did a fine job, Scott may have done better and certainly turned out to have a more distinguished career. He couldn't have made the songs better because he didn't write them but over time would have gotten them more exposure.
