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Bit of a rough one last night

What mixer were you using?

I also went with the Mackie DL1608 because you can dock the iPad to it and run without wireless.

I'm thinking of upgrading to something with more channels and keep a hardwired connection. There's not much in my price range. The new Soundcraft looks good but may have more latency than I'd like.
 
(Afterward the drummer, who works in IT, said that some wifi systems will "isolate" a non-recognized hotspot in their zone and prevent it from connecting. Since my digital mixer works by creating its own wifi signal, his hypothesis was that the host wifi in the building may have isolated it, causing the problem).

First, happy you all pulled it off. That's always job 1...

I work in IT as well, that explanation doesn't sound right...

It has been a few years since I did substantive wireless work, but that theory just doesn't jive with my memory.

But that's moot, and in no way the point at all, you pulled it off. And what's more, what caused a given dropout scenario, might not be the same one that causes the next one.

But your mixer probably has a wired network connection, and you can probably get a usb network dongle for that tablet, so in a pinch, you go wired. It's pretty likely anyways, and a usb network dongle is typically cheap. Maybe check and ensure with the mixer manufacturer, and the question may have already been answered on their forum...

I may be better at learning lessons from that divil Murphy than playing, which may explain my tenure in, and my bands longevity...

TBWA - (TalkBass Weasel Acronyms. You know all the YMMV, IMHO, IME, all the weasel-acronyms that (redundantly) make it clear that this is at best uninformed opinion, and at best informed opinion hampered by lack of bandwidth (and no I'm not talking about the cumulative waist line of your band) in the medium of communication.)
 
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What mixer were you using?

I also went with the Mackie DL1608 because you can dock the iPad to it and run without wireless.

I'm thinking of upgrading to something with more channels and keep a hardwired connection. There's not much in my price range. The new Soundcraft looks good but may have more latency than I'd like.

It's a Soundcraft UI16. Like I said, it's worked with no problems for a year or so now, in rehearsal and at a couple of gigs. Never seen it behave like this before. When I get a chance, of course, I'm going to set it back up and check it; if it runs normally, it seems like the problem must have been something in the environment at the venue. I'm not much of a techie, but it seemed like something interfering with it, less than the machine itself going haywire.

As far as the no-soundcheck thing goes, it would probably be more accurate to put it as that our first song was effectively the soundcheck. Running sound from the stage makes it hard to do a real soundcheck where you can have everyone play and sing and adjust the FOH mix, since one of the people singing is also the one who needs to handle the mixer. We did check everything and it was working, and relied on feedback from musicians in the crowd to listen for adjustments (which is how we found the guitarist's vocal was too quiet). But I definitely need to get a better system down for doing this.

@dbase, sorry about no food pics (in fact, I didn't take any of the pics I did share, they came from others on our FB page). I did get a basket with chips and a great Italian cold cut sub. But I wear so many hats in this group and we're still ironing out so much, I just don't get to take pics much.
 
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It's a Soundcraft UI16. Like I said, it's worked with no problems for a year or so now, in rehearsal and at a couple of gigs. Never seen it behave like this before. When I get a chance, of course, I'm going to set it back up and check it; if it runs normally, it seems like the problem must have been something in the environment at the venue. I'm not much of a techie, but it seemed like something interfering with it, less than the machine itself going haywire.

As far as the no-soundcheck thing goes, it would probably be more accurate to put it as that our first song was effectively the soundcheck. Running sound from the stage makes it hard to do a real soundcheck where you can have everyone play and sing and adjust the FOH mix, since one of the people singing is also the one who needs to handle the mixer. We did check everything and it was working, and relied on feedback from musicians in the crowd to listen for adjustments (which is how we found the guitarist's vocal was too quiet). But I definitely need to get a better system down for doing this.

@dbase, sorry about no food pics (in fact, I didn't take any of the pics I did share, they came from others on our FB page). I did get a basket with chips and a great Italian cold cut sub. But I wear so many hats in this group and we're still ironing out so much, I just don't get to take pics much.
We have the Ui24, and this one sound guy we use can’t work an iPad, so he plugs in his laptop and kicks everyone else off the WiFi. (We don’t use this guy any more.) Maybe you had a similar thing?
 
I work in IT as well, that explanation doesn't sound right...

Me too. And I agree.

It sounds like there was either (a) a configuration error (easily fixed once you gain access to the network settings) (b) channel congestion or noise, or (c) something in the mixer that went into limbo or shut down.

If the mixer (I looked at the docs and they don’t say much) has its own embedded WAP (which it looks like it does as well as having a basic router and DHCP server), I’d suspect that first. But either way I’d get in touch with Behringer’s tech support and sound off about what happened.
 
We are always are toughest critics. In mid November I played a show at a local venue that I felt went horrible. Our guitar player had several technical issues that caused numerous long delays in our sets, and I had just gotten over a pretty bad sinus infection and my voice gave out on me midway through the 2nd set. Like you, we kept our heads up and did the best we could, but I felt so bad about the show afterwards that I didn't even ask about a return gig at the end of the night. I just collected our money, loaded our equipment and left. I had pretty much written off playing there again and made no attempt to contact the venue after the show. About two weeks ago I received a phone call from the venue's manager asking if they could book us to play on March 2nd. I couldn't believe it. It's the first time a venue has called me to book my band instead of me calling them. I guess we weren't as bad as I thought.
 
Glad you got through it, and sounds like ti went OK. Maybe you have a little Joplin-style voice you didn't know about..?

Wireless may be attractive, but when it comes to audio lines and mixers, make mine hard-wired. There are too many things that can go wrong with a wireless signal due to RF fields, power issues and conflicting wireless networks. Wireless mics are OK with me, especially if I have spares, but to trust your whole audio system to a wireless strains my old school sensibilities.
 
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Hi Mr. @hrodbert696,

My cover band Six Cowards (see sig) had a gig last night; one we really were wanting to lean into, because, being a startup, getting bookings has been pretty slim, and some of those we've had were in venues that don't match our style real well. We play 21st century alternative/indie music (Black Keys, Cage the Elephant, stuff like that) and the other venues were definitely more classic rock types of places.

Three weeks ago our drummer quit. Nice kid and amazing player, but he's doing the pro thing and overbooked with way too many bands. He had gone and double booked himself last night, and we were the ones to get cut, which made him reexamine his schedule and decide he really couldn't keep committing to us. The decision made sense, and in some ways is a help; he was so busy we couldn't get our foot in the door on any short-notice gigs from cancellations. But it left us having to get a new one up to speed pretty fast.

Fortunately we already had someone in the pipe, a former pro himself getting back into it. He's very good, the only problem is that he hasn't been listening to more recent music and doesn't know the songs, so he's starting from scratch to learn our setlist.

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So we get to the venue, setting up, all on schedule thankfully, but no real time for soundcheck other than to make sure everything's working. Downbeat comes, we play a couple of tunes. A guitarist friend in the audience tells me the guitarist's mic is too quiet. I go to raise his level.... and can't.

We're using a digital mixer in the PA that's controlled from a tablet wirelessly - and it disconnected. I'm poking and poking at the thing and trying to reconnect, and it just spins and won't link up. We plead technical difficulties and take a break, and the thing just won't work. I've been using it for a year with no problems... till now. In the past I always brought a Behringer analog board as a backup, but had become so confident in this wireless that I didn't bother... and of course tonight it breaks down.

So there's no mixer. I plug my vocal mic straight into the powered main speaker nearest me, my guitarist plugs his mic into the one nearest him... and we do the rest of the show like that.

No mixer means no keyboards, so nix the songs on the list that need them. Between worrying about the drummer and making sure to cue him as needed, and freaking out over the sound, I forget to pay attention to my singing technique (I do most of the lead singing, more by default than by talent), strain my throat, and realize by the top of the second set that I'm starting to go hoarse and losing my upper register... more songs crossed off the list. Luckily it was just a three-hour gig with a couple of breaks and we had overpacked the set list, so it looks like we'll be able to stretch the time even with songs cut. Any notions of showmanship go flying out the window as I go introvert, closing my eyes and just trying to hold each song together without a total trainwreck.

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By good fortune a female singer friend shows up right at the end of the first set. I talk to her during break and yes, she would love to sing a couple of songs. That gives some needed relief and she does an excellent job, as always.

When I got home my wife (who had come separately) is still up, and we debrief. She says it was better than I thought; we actually sounded good, she couldn't tell I was going hoarse, the vibe was "real" and friendly and accessible, and she saw people tapping their feet and bobbing their heads and enjoying themselves even if no one got up to dance. So maybe we pulled it off. The owner said he would have us back, and we got paid. But I still feel that if we get the drummer better integrated and get the technical issues ironed out, we could put on a much more exciting show than what we did.

(Afterward the drummer, who works in IT, said that some wifi systems will "isolate" a non-recognized hotspot in their zone and prevent it from connecting. Since my digital mixer works by creating its own wifi signal, his hypothesis was that the host wifi in the building may have isolated it, causing the problem).

Congratulations on making the gig work for you. It certainly sounds like, while not your best effort, the night was not a total loss and everything went well enough.

Does your digital mixer have it's own WAP (wireless access point, i.e. wireless router)? Or do you rely on an ad-hoc wireless network between the two nodes? (Node = an endpoint device like a laptop, tablet, or maybe your mixer.)

It sounds to me like you had an IP address conflict which prevented communication. For example, if the venue may have had a wireless router at the IP address 192.168.0.1 (a very commonly used address for consumer stuff). If your mixer was set to use that same address to talk to your tablet then your tablet may have been trying to connect to the venue's WAP instead of the mixer. The mixer was unable to connect to anything because the address was already in use.

There are a couple of ways to work around this. First, put a wifi analyzer app on your phone. It's great for troubleshooting or at least seeing what devices are in the area. You can also tell what channels in the wifi frequency may be less congested and set your equipment accordingly.

If you are setting up an ad-hoc (peer to peer) wireless network just between your tablet and your mixer, you might use IP addresses in the 10.x.x.x range. This range is also a "public" range but less commonly used out in the wild compared to the 192.168.x.x addresses.

If you don't have one already, get a wireless router just for your mixer-tablet communication. That way you can have your very own SSID (network name) broadcasting (or not, for security reasons), and connect both devices to the wireless router with a static IP addresses.

Sorry I can't be more specific. I don't know the gear you are working with. And to be honest, I do networking in a corporate environment and at home. I've never set up a wireless mixer, but it's just a network, right? ;) I've used wireless devices for my own IEM mix at a few of the places I play so all I have is theoretical experience. (Is that a thing?)

Anyway, I would suggest getting intimately familiar with the network set up between your mixer and tablet so that you can make these changes quickly on the fly if you run into another situation like this.

I apologize for my profound glimpses into the obvious, or for repeating any advice already given. Just trying to help. I'm glad you made it thought the gig. I'm sure the next one will be much smoother.

EDIT: I took a quick look at the manual for the Ui16 and the unit does have its own hotspot. If there's ever an IP conflict with the venue's wifi gear you should be able to change the wireless IP for your Ui to avoid communication issues.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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