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Bose L1 Portable Sound system...

There are so many interesting yet true things said in the Bose slapping here!

I am a pro Bose contractor, meaning my company provides installed systems for mostly Churches. For years Bose would tell you anything under the sun to sell products. They are now days getting a little smarter and starting to admit when their product is over matched.

There are several things that are all wrong about using the L1's in your application. The L1 works very well in a coffeehouse situation for acoustic duos, maybe a little jazz trio where the bassist has either a half dozen bass modules to each L1 used, but that is where that product ends.

The L1 has zero directionality, meaning it throws sound off everything in the room and doesn't give you the ability to focus or aim a HF driver where its needed most...towards the listener. Particularly in a difficult acoustic environment like a gymnasium. A gym by nature is a big box of a room, and unless its walls are not parallel to each other and the entire floor is carpeted and the walls have been treated with the proper acoustic paneling for absorption, diffusion, or low frequency trapping.....you are p*ssing in the wind with that system no matter who is trying to BS you. It doesn't work in a gym, and it never will. It might cover 500 people in a hotel meeting room, but it will not be able to provide clear articulate sound in a gym ever. It's not about how many people it will cover, it is all about how can it cover 500 people and provide articulated and intelligible sound with a true full depth of all the available frequencies your music provides.

While most loudspeaker makers (JBL, EV, EAW, Fulcrum, Community, etc) do make a proper speaker for almost any application, Bose has chosen to build things that in the right room sound good, and in the other 99.9% of the venues out there are totally worthless. They have a great new line array system called the RoomMatch which in the right room, really sounds incredible. But the Bose "Bananarays", the old 401 and 501 cabinets only sound good by shear luck. They do make an incredible subwoofer, and the M12 steerable line arrays can work in rooms that don't have any acoustic issues.

In gym and highly reflective spaces, I use a box by EV called the EVH series which while not sexy (about the size of a washing machine), provide pattern control all the way down to 500Hz. The majority of the boxes out there start going Omni in horn pattern control between 1K and 2K. The articulation of the upper mids is lost with Bose products and as one poster did mention, all highs, no lows...you betcha it's Bose. I have all the Bose algorithms for DSP settings, and man are they bizarre. In some cases they are using 4 octave wide boosts which for a guy who has been designing and tuning sound systems for 30 plus years, is just ridiculous is approach.

If you are a solo act playing places that seat 100 to 200 with a low ceiling, you are fine. Use the Bose L1's to your hearts content. If you are playing bass with a group using them, obviously take your own rig so at least you can feel the bass.

But by all means, tell the guys at the Church they are out to lunch using these in this environment. It is wrong. Tell them to go find a contracting firm that regularly does systems in gyms that actually sound good. You would be so much better served with a powered JBL PRX or EV ELXP system. People would hear you and UNDERSTAND what you are singing, and you could pump your bass through that kind of rig. Heck, JBL Eons or Mackie SRM's would toast the performance of the L1 in a gym.

Good luck man!
 
Hey thanks Keith...I'm printing this and giving it to them tonite! I knew I wasn't crazy. I mean I have been dealing with "trying" to make my bass sound good since I was 12. I know a lil' sumthin' sumthin'. lol. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
We have one, and one thing it works very well for is filling a rehearsal space. We used to use a cluster of floor wedges in the center of the room that sounded marginal and took up way too much space. Now we set up the L1 in the corner and everyone can hear. Well, except the drummer, but he's nearly deaf. :D

We also take it to gigs sometimes and use it for a monitor system. And we do the occasional coffeehouse gig, for which it works well, as others have said.
 
What Keithwah said.
Been using a BOSE L1 with 4 "bass bins" for 6 years in a band that has everyone outfitted with them(band-provided). Keithwah's description for using BOSE in a rec-center/gym is my experience as well. With 4 boxes, they can "sound" OK up close but in a large reverb tank, the best I've done is push the mids and highs a bit to be "heard". I am sometimes reminded of a large "boombox" set on a floor in a cavern(seen this done in daughter's dance class) because the sound is similar.

Bass should be felt and not just heard.
 
I went to a Bose sponsored demo of them, a full on rock/country/blues band in a fairly large club environment when they first came out and they sounded great. But I lost count adding up the subs they were using. Definately not the standard issue amount. But two things put me off from the start. First, and mainly, Bose was pushing them HARD as the magic answer to every situation instead of an excellent option for certain situations, and I found the sales presentation at this event completely offensive because of that. Second, directionality is our friend, both as performer and audience. The fact that if you were enjoying yourself at a bar or in a loud club and the band was playing through this system and you could not have a measure of control over your aural experience via where you were situating yourself I took as a definite negative, not a positive attribute of the L1, and my experimenting with this aspect during that event bore out this conclusion clearly to me.

I left feeling I had seen a thing with good potential that was being pushed inappropriately beyond what it was actually good at. The Bose rep, who was MC ing the show, basically killed Bose to me bit by bit by bit as the show went on.
 
My experiences with an L1 were about the same as what Keith and spigmu will tell you. I, too, did a Bose sponsored demo in Dallas once a few years back. It was OK, but they gave me 4 subs for bass and that wasn't enough IMHO. Plus they didn't have monitors and expected us to rely on our own individual towers for mixing ourselves to the crowd. Well that's all well and good, except the idea of monitors is to hear your own voice louder than the music without being heard in the FOH. So the singers would come up onstage, not hear themselves, demand to be turned way up, then screw up the mix.

It was at that point I decided they would be way better suited for an acoustic act or a single/duo that rocks karaoke tracks, maybe a quiet lounge band. Anything beyond that, forget it. I did, however, like the thing most are complaining about...the wide dispersion. I consider that a plus for it to sound the same as you walk the room.
 
Jimmy has it right.

I really dig them in the duo/trio context.... to fully be used (as intended) they're supposed to be directly behind the band.

Overall... if it's volume louder than restaurant/patio/200ppl bar

I've seen a band sound incredible with them... each member had their own column... the reality is there are lower cost/easier options for this.

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When I spent my personal money on gear like this, I bought EV LiveX... very close sound, I can run a bass through it.

Tim
 
I saw a friends band about 2 years ago use these things. No amps on stage at all. The guitar went through a Vox multi effects board,bass through a Sansamp pedal,and the drummer played a Roland V-kit. If I remember correctly they had 4 each of the towers and subs for the PA,and 4 floor monitors. The club held about 100 at most,it sounded great. Good reasonable volume and clear as a bell. I was very impressed.
 
I saw a friends band about 2 years ago use these things. No amps on stage at all. The guitar went through a Vox multi effects board,bass through a Sansamp pedal,and the drummer played a Roland V-kit. If I remember correctly they had 4 each of the towers and subs for the PA,and 4 floor monitors. The club held about 100 at most,it sounded great. Good reasonable volume and clear as a bell. I was very impressed.

So at 4ea. of L1's with a sub you are at approx. $8000...
to do 100 ppl..
:rollno:
 
I did, however, like the thing most are complaining about...the wide dispersion. I consider that a plus for it to sound the same as you walk the room.

JimmyM, I should clarify what I said a little. I did think it was good soundwise (the dispersion) but so many spaces are specifically created with pockets to escape from 100% of the audio. If a band is on a stage over there and there's a bar over there and a shmoozing area on the other side, very often they're not far enough away to have some aural respite, and they're put where they are specifically to benefit from a sound system's directionality, and maybe add a satellite if they want.

The other horrible aspect to these that the Bose demo completely failed to mention, is that even if they sound astonishingly amazing it takes a very particular group of players who can act as a collective sound person for the FOH. If the guitarist either needs more volume to play the way they can feel it right, the band is screwed. If the keyboardist has a different idea of where they should be in the mix, screwed. The mix is always where everyone places themselves in it. If a soundperson asks me to turn down I know it's because they're hearing it out there and need a little more control. If the guitarist next to me in an L1 band asks me to turn down I might know for a fact that he'll f up the mix or *I* could be the one ruining it : ) Not only is democracy a bad idea for live mixes but who is in a six piece band where everyone is an experienced and excellent soundmixer in the first place? I can only imagine the larger bands who tried $8,000 worth of this system and bagged it not because it sounded bad but because two of the members were bad at this aspect?
 
Ok guys so I'm playing for this new church and we meet in a Rec Center Gym. The sound crew has the Bose L1 Portable Sound system as the only sound for the house. They don't want me to bring a cab and they want me to plug into the Bose. I've been trying it for two weeks now and to me it's like playing through a tin can. The bass is sooo thin you can hardly hear it (unless I'm plucking) let alone feel it. Is is me or is this thing not a good choice for running (2) keys, bass & vocals through? Was this thing even designed with bassists in mind? Input please.

That is what I play through for every show. 5 piece classic rock music. Two Guitars, Keys, Drums 3 vocals and Me. I run my basses through a BDDI into channel 3 out of the Bose L1 and two B1 subs. It shakes the floor under my feet. Get yourself a bass driver Di and you will be good to go. You can go to my you tube page and check out my sound channel phoenixnj13
 
My band has 3 L1 Model 1's each with 2 bass bins that we use as our PA, and a L1 Compact which we use as a vocal monitor. It gets a bit boomy in some spaces and feedback can be an issue too, but they do help keep our volume level same since they are all behind us.
 
My band uses 2 systems, in stereo, for vocals, acoustic guitars, and keys.
Definitely no bass, I bring the mb112 or walkabout and it fits perfect.
We all play to the drummers volume and occasionally mic the hh/sn.

It has worked well for us but we all do a lot of volume control. It works particularly well outside.
 
I've used the L1 mostly in coffeehouses and only for vocals mixed with mando or acoustic. You can only install 2 bass modules per setup. To add any more you need a separate accessory to drive up to 4 modules total.
It's not designed for large venues but some will try and use it that way.
If you want a truly fantastic sound put the vocals and guitars through it and bring a small combo for yourself. One trio we have gets about 20 gigs every year. Half are indoor, half are outdoor. We go this route and I bring a B15N to plug into. Everyone, including me and the crowd are happier.
 
I used the L1 M2 for about 2 years. I hated it for bass at first...(first off, you need to at least have 2 bass modules for bass or limiting cuts you off quickly). I tried using a bass cab (Dr. Bass) which I at first liked but then realized the bass modules went lower in frequency. With the included tone match, it sounded good (pretty much what you put into it), but it always seemed like once the drummer kicked in, it was being pushed to where it would sound somewhat harsh.

We used 3 Bose systems like so: 4 piece band-bass+vocals (me) into one, and each guitarist had one (two of them, both sang also) and then I would run a powered sub out of mine (besides the 2 bass modules) and put the kick drum through my system also.

The oddest thing was that sometimes people would approach us and say it sounded super clear and excellent where as other times people said it was harsh. Sometimes, we weren't loud enough to be heard over the crowd if it was a rowdy place.

It was a big investment, but I sold my system for about $700 less than what I paid (but made probably 4 times that in the 2 years I used it). So it worked out okay.

Personally, I would go powered speakers/mixer. They just seem to punch more once a drummer gets into the mix.