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Boss GT-1B ... Arrogant? Stupid? Definitely unusable live.

I agree... Although, Boss does have the MS3 to accommodate those needs

The One Control 1 Loop Box offers true bypass function or routing to effects loop for $40. Much like the omission of XLR outputs IMO. The low price point of pedals like the GT-1B and Zoom stuff sort of forces the issue. You may need to add a direct box or hardware bypass pedal if you absolutely need to have those functions, but these aren't going to necessarily break the bank, and they are small add-ons. Not for me, but there it is.

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Pre-ordered this pedal from Sweetwater, and waited impatiently for delivery. In a nutshell, love the delivered sounds and potential for creating new ones, but am shocked at how unusable it is in a live setting. As far as I can tell, you have to scroll thru 100-200 patches one-at-a-time via dial or up/down pedals. Even worse, there is no stomp button for using / bypassing the pedal. You must ALWAYS have a patch selected. This wreaks of arrogance and/or stupidity on Boss's part. It's going back to Sweetwater.

It seems to me that guitar/bass pedal technology is 10 years behind that for keyboards. Using any modern DAW (I use Logic / MainStage), a keyboardist can queue up presets for 100's of instrument/effect settings and switch from one patch to the next via touch pad, foot pedal, etc. Why do guitarists/bassists have to perform a combination Riverdance-juggling routine to make the same thing happen?

Whoever comes up with a midi-controlled standard that controls our dozens of effects and amp settings will be in for a huge pay day. Is it already out there and I've just missed it?


I actually read through all posts to make sure I would be relevant. There was one post that might of been my solution, but it wasn't clear. The way I figured this out for me is that there are 99 user presets. To start, I decided to build my library at 50 and up. For gigs, I would use 1-49. If my library got bigger, I would either save some less-used patches on my computer, or start going down into my gig space. For a gig, I start at 1 and put any patches for that song in a row, usually one per song. If you stuck with one patch per song, you would just do one tap between each song. If you go back to a patch, just make a new copy in the next space so you don't have to go back. I put the patch number(s) on the play list, or sheet music to reduce confusion/panic in a gig.

For multiple patches, use the next 2-3 for that song and you only have to tap up or down once, or in extreme, cases twice during the song. It gets more complicated if you start playing out of order, but holding down the up/down button lets you scroll around quickly. If you do this often, then the computer interface is easier to make big jumps like that and may be worth having on stage. Even then you only do this between songs because your patches are still grouped together.

As far as bypassing, A patch with no effects is good and you can even put a copy of the same bypass in every song group if you do this often. The one adjustment I would use on that bypass patch would be the master volume since you have volume and eq settings in the other patches. This helps you keep a consistent volume throughout your patches. In fact that bypass patch could be used, when creating or bringing a new patch into your user library, as a volume standard to set the other patches by. If you are a purist, then I guess that is what money and physical switches are for.

I have spent a few days with the software. It really helps to understand and create patches down to the smallest detail. It would not be a good tool to change patches during a song unless you have long breaks.

Some interesting things I noticed is that using only the mark pre-amp with my MarkBass pretty much sounds the same as plugging directly into my amp. There is a big difference between using headphones and then using the same patches with my amp. The amp needs a lot more love put into the patch before it sounds good. I appreciated the comment about creating two libraries: Home/headset and Amp copies. I will start doing that.

As far as zoom/Boss/etc. and what sounds best, that is up to the individual, but with the method above and the abundant library space on the unit, I see the 1B as one with the most pros and ease of use, especially with a computer. Of course that last statement is specifically due to my wants and needs.
 
I actually read through all posts to make sure I would be relevant. There was one post that might of been my solution, but it wasn't clear. The way I figured this out for me is that there are 99 user presets. To start, I decided to build my library at 50 and up. For gigs, I would use 1-49. If my library got bigger, I would either save some less-used patches on my computer, or start going down into my gig space. For a gig, I start at 1 and put any patches for that song in a row, usually one per song. If you stuck with one patch per song, you would just do one tap between each song. If you go back to a patch, just make a new copy in the next space so you don't have to go back. I put the patch number(s) on the play list, or sheet music to reduce confusion/panic in a gig.

For multiple patches, use the next 2-3 for that song and you only have to tap up or down once, or in extreme, cases twice during the song. It gets more complicated if you start playing out of order, but holding down the up/down button lets you scroll around quickly. If you do this often, then the computer interface is easier to make big jumps like that and may be worth having on stage. Even then you only do this between songs because your patches are still grouped together.

As far as bypassing, A patch with no effects is good and you can even put a copy of the same bypass in every song group if you do this often. The one adjustment I would use on that bypass patch would be the master volume since you have volume and eq settings in the other patches. This helps you keep a consistent volume throughout your patches. In fact that bypass patch could be used, when creating or bringing a new patch into your user library, as a volume standard to set the other patches by. If you are a purist, then I guess that is what money and physical switches are for.

I have spent a few days with the software. It really helps to understand and create patches down to the smallest detail. It would not be a good tool to change patches during a song unless you have long breaks.

Some interesting things I noticed is that using only the mark pre-amp with my MarkBass pretty much sounds the same as plugging directly into my amp. There is a big difference between using headphones and then using the same patches with my amp. The amp needs a lot more love put into the patch before it sounds good. I appreciated the comment about creating two libraries: Home/headset and Amp copies. I will start doing that.

As far as zoom/Boss/etc. and what sounds best, that is up to the individual, but with the method above and the abundant library space on the unit, I see the 1B as one with the most pros and ease of use, especially with a computer. Of course that last statement is specifically due to my wants and needs.


I think I already asked this but, how is patch change speed?
Is there an audible gap or "pop"?
Thanks
 
I think I already asked this but, how is patch change speed?
Is there an audible gap or "pop"?
Thanks
Just tested as requested. With amp volume half up (enough to make the cat run away) i muted my strings and tapped the switch at least 20 times. Complete silence. With a sustained note, I switched at least 20 times. There was no difference between the sensation of the switch clicking and the clean change of the tone.
 
Just tested as requested. With amp volume half up (enough to make the cat run away) i muted my strings and tapped the switch at least 20 times. Complete silence. With a sustained note, I switched at least 20 times. There was no difference between the sensation of the switch clicking and the clean change of the tone.


Thanks!
So, if I'm playing a sustained note in an almost clean patch (eg. just a bit of reverb) and change to a patch with the same reverb + delay + chorus, there would be no interruption of sound right?. I ask because my ME50B has a long (probably more than 500 ms) gap between patches, making memory mode unusable live.
Also, just to be clear, when you say "the switch", you mean the patch change switches?

Thanks for your time!:thumbsup:
 
I actually did a cleaner test. To have a completely silent change, there can be no signal, or completely muted. I tested with exact same reverb and levels on two patches. If there is any signal going through the unit you will hear a soft muffled pop as the processor is cleared and the signal re-hits it. It will be heard, but hopefully ignored if you are alone, but will for sure it will get lost in a band. (I just realized my second test was when my wife was home, so the amp was way down to a reasonable loudness.)

If you want to switch between patches that have gain vs. more passive, like OverDrive-fuzz and reverb Vs. just reverb you will most likely get some unwanted sounds/effects if you do it through a sustained note and it has to re-interpret the signal on the fly. Some effects measure dynamics of the signal, like synth effects. When doing testing for this I noticed it interpreted the sustained note that first came in as a hard attack and added a dynamic effect which was out of place. So, don't do that in a gig and you won't look foolish.

I am glad you had me do this test because it gives me a chance to correct something I previously stated. The master area does not have a master volume. In fact trying to look around to correctly describe how the volume of each patch is affected is a bit overwhelming because there are gain and level adjustments laced throughout the menus and effects. It seems like almost every level 2 menu of every box in the chain has a different set of adjustments. (In the first picture below, I am saying level 2 would be the BASS SIM setting. The top of the second picture is the chain of boxes.) Therefore having a "bypass" patch would need to include the "SUPER FLAT" (amp only) Pre Amp to have a master gain knob to get you a standard "volume" to measure and standardize all your patches with.

Now that I'm into it this far, I might as well give out a complaint about the documentation. Very weak. If you aren't an expert that knows all the effects and what each knob should do, there is no official documentation to teach you. There are also a lot of abbreviations with no full translations. I can assume a lot, but it would be great if I didn't have to ponder on each setting. A high percentage of the people purchasing a $200 mulit-device won't be pros:

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One way to test the patch change is to have an identical copy of two patches, and switch between them while you are playing.
If there is no patch change drop out, your playing should not be interrupted.
Some previous equipment used to drop out/mute the sound for about a half a second (or more) on patch change, I am hoping the GT-1B does not do this (i.e. seamless patch change).
 
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One way to test the patch change is to have an identical copy of two patches, and switch between them while you are playing.
If there is no patch change drop out, your playing should not be interrupted.
Some previous equipment used to drop out/mute the sound for about a half a second (or more) on patch change, I am hoping the GT-1B does not do this (i.e. seamless patch change).

That is what I did for the patch part. Reverb only. I didn't play, but just plucked a string which would be the simplest "play." I am sure that if I used more distorting effects and played through a song, the pop would have been masked. But I have run out of time for this. There was no drop out, just a muffled pop. Not a show stopper, and can probably be mitigated, but I have to be honest to say it wasn't perfectly clean with a signal going through it.
 
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It seems clear to me that the designers of most of the multi-effect units out there have never actually used them on a live gig! Very few of them are "gig" ready without a bunch of extra nonsense.
I got rid of a GT6b & a GT10b for this exact reason. Just like this new GT version nether of those have a real bypass & I ended up having to use a bypass looper to get it done. Having to do this defeats the whole purpose of having a system like the GT units.
I currently use 2 Zoom 60B's on my pedalboard & the 60B is nowhere near "gig" ready out of the box but at least they are cheap & small.
So far I have never found a multi effects unit that could do everything I needed & wanted. The Fractal FX8 came the closest but it still fell short.
 
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I actually read through all posts to make sure I would be relevant. There was one post that might of been my solution, but it wasn't clear. The way I figured this out for me is that there are 99 user presets. To start, I decided to build my library at 50 and up. For gigs, I would use 1-49. If my library got bigger, I would either save some less-used patches on my computer, or start going down into my gig space. For a gig, I start at 1 and put any patches for that song in a row, usually one per song. If you stuck with one patch per song, you would just do one tap between each song. If you go back to a patch, just make a new copy in the next space so you don't have to go back. I put the patch number(s) on the play list, or sheet music to reduce confusion/panic in a gig.

For multiple patches, use the next 2-3 for that song and you only have to tap up or down once, or in extreme, cases twice during the song. It gets more complicated if you start playing out of order, but holding down the up/down button lets you scroll around quickly. If you do this often, then the computer interface is easier to make big jumps like that and may be worth having on stage. Even then you only do this between songs because your patches are still grouped together.

As far as bypassing, A patch with no effects is good and you can even put a copy of the same bypass in every song group if you do this often. The one adjustment I would use on that bypass patch would be the master volume since you have volume and eq settings in the other patches. This helps you keep a consistent volume throughout your patches. In fact that bypass patch could be used, when creating or bringing a new patch into your user library, as a volume standard to set the other patches by. If you are a purist, then I guess that is what money and physical switches are for.

I have spent a few days with the software. It really helps to understand and create patches down to the smallest detail. It would not be a good tool to change patches during a song unless you have long breaks.

Some interesting things I noticed is that using only the mark pre-amp with my MarkBass pretty much sounds the same as plugging directly into my amp. There is a big difference between using headphones and then using the same patches with my amp. The amp needs a lot more love put into the patch before it sounds good. I appreciated the comment about creating two libraries: Home/headset and Amp copies. I will start doing that.

As far as zoom/Boss/etc. and what sounds best, that is up to the individual, but with the method above and the abundant library space on the unit, I see the 1B as one with the most pros and ease of use, especially with a computer. Of course that last statement is specifically due to my wants and needs.
Thanks for being able to describe on how to place clean patches in between others to bounce back and forth.
 
Question regarding Synth sounds:
I plan to use the GT-1B in the FX loop of a Bassbone V2. So I don't care for any minimal losses in a "bypass" mode. I have always time to switch to the next sound when the FX loop is muted.

More interesting for me is, if I can get useful 80ies synth sounds. I'm playing in a 80ies Cover band. We have no keyboarder, playing the covers more rock style. Sometimes it would be fine to add some synth effects to make our sound more interesting for the audience. Clear that at this price point it will be hard to find pedals or multi effect units providing this.
Did somebody compared it with the synth sounds of the B3n?
Any ideas or patches you can share?
Will this sounds cut through the mix? I owned a Zoom MS-60B which get lost in the band sound (and destroyed my sound in bypass mode)

Examples for songs I wish to add effects:
Ultravox - Dancing with tears in my eyes
Kim Wilde - Keep me hangin' on
Kenny Loggins - Dangerzone
Depeche Mode - Enjoy the silence
 
Now that I'm into it this far, I might as well give out a complaint about the documentation. Very weak. If you aren't an expert that knows all the effects and what each knob should do, there is no official documentation to teach you. There are also a lot of abbreviations with no full translations. I can assume a lot, but it would be great if I didn't have to ponder on each setting. A high percentage of the people purchasing a $200 mulit-device won't be pros:

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I just want to respond to this. Boss has documentation beyond the manual that can be found here: Invalid Link Removed

All those abbreviations ARE translated here: https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/GT-1B_parameter_eng01_W.pdf
Check out page 24!

I am actually looking into one of these because these are the ONLY "affordable" multi-effects that also serve as a recording interface. I'm holding out to see if Zoom releases a B5n (one can hope)
 
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My peddle board consists of a snark tuner and a Zoom multi stomp so I can dial in a little chorus and reverb in songs like with or without you!

I thought about getting one of these Gt 1b peddles but I don't think I would use it enough to justify its expense

I case you are wondering why I have the snark peddle when the zoom has a tuner built in, it's because I bought the snark first and prefer its display
 
Got mine recently. If you have basic skills with a soldering Iron, you could build a dual foot switch for 15$ more or so. That M's what I did, ans it really expends the possibility of the unit. I use my home made switch to cycle through patches, so that frees up up and down button for other purposes (switches effects on and off, tap tempo, etc).
 

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