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Boss's answer to korg pitch black?

#21
FreaqyFrequency said:
I dunno about that anymore. While Boss certainly overshadows almost anyone out there in pedal sales, let alone tuner sales, Sonic Research has definitely gotten their name out there recently.
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Boss will sell more pedals in a single day than Sonic Research have ever sold since they started making pedals. And that's no exaggeration. Boss are the market leader (in terms of market share) by a significant margin. The TU-2 has always outsold the Pitchblack. The TU-3 brings it more in-line and will gain sales back from some of the defectors to Korg but I think it's just a update to a popular pedal just as DD-3 became DD-6 became DD-7 - as has already been said, Boss create the market rather than follow it whatever anyone thinks of their pedals. In many cases, Boss is the standard by which others are judged.

I'm not saying that Boss pedals are better or worse than anyone elses. I'm saying that they have a very dominant market position and, in terms of branding, are the envy of every other mass-market pedal manufacturer.
 
#22
Jefenator said:
I'd like to see Boss' answer to this:

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especially if I were to try tracking my pitch in real time. ;)
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Boss will never have an answer to it cause they don't make high quality true bypass pedals. They supply to a different market niche.

But guys - do yourselves a favour ... forget TU's and get a Turbo. Costs about the same and is far superior for about 10 different reasons. Check out this thread currently running here for more detail but primarily..... it's 50 times more accurate, tracks much faster, is easier to read and is true bypass.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=609547&page=2

And even if you don't want a Turbo, Peterson, Korg and Planet Wave all make better tuners than Boss IMO. :D
 
#23
Waxhead said:
Boss will never have an answer to it cause they don't make high quality true bypass pedals.
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1) I think there will be several long-time owners of Boss effects here who will disagree with your implication about lack of quality.

2) You're also implying that not having true bypass means that it isn't professional, or that it's somehow inferior. If you have missed all the citations to links regarding true bypass in this subforum, do yourself a favor and search google for "True Bypass myths".

Better yet, I'll save you the trouble.

 
#24
Waxhead said:
Boss will never have an answer to it cause they don't make high quality true bypass pedals. They supply to a different market niche.

But guys - do yourselves a favour ... forget TU's and get a Turbo. Costs about the same and is far superior for about 10 different reasons.
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I wouldn't expect a perfect replication. I do think it would be cool to see that killer fast tracking & accuracy made available to Boss' "niche".

But I guess there's not much pressure since, as a couple of folks have mentioned, Boss is all set for market share.

And I'm not too concerned personally since I'm all set for a tuner. ;)
 
#25
Waxhead said:
Boss will never have an answer to it cause they don't make high quality true bypass pedals. They supply to a different market niche.

But guys - do yourselves a favour ... forget TU's and get a Turbo. Costs about the same and is far superior for about 10 different reasons. Check out this thread currently running here for more detail but primarily..... it's 50 times more accurate, tracks much faster, is easier to read and is true bypass.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=609547&page=2

And even if you don't want a Turbo, Peterson, Korg and Planet Wave all make better tuners than Boss IMO. :D
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TU-2 = Readily Available used for around 50 bucks; can be found for under $100 new.

ST-200 = $130 new; hard to find used (and for good reason).

I'm satisfied with my used Tu-2. It does the job I need it to and I got for $50. The pros of the ST-200 doesn't outweigh the ~70% higher cost. Would I prefer the ST-200? Well yeah, but for my purposes the ST-200 seems like a luxury item.
 
#31
Nikoubis said:
No, you actually need a TRUE BYPASS splitter. :D
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That would be a simple AB/Y pedal, of which I also have one. Problem is, without buffers, some pedals don't work out so well. A really good example is biamping with fuzz. Totally dependent on the fuzz of course, but most times the clean side will get volume "sucked" from it since some fuzzes lower resistance in order to cause as much clipping as they do. Buffers adds signal stability and can allow for longer cable runs as well, in the case of my preamp>split>poweramps plan.

There was a thread on here in effects not that long ago with that exact problem. I was lucky before I folded my clean side into the GT-10B, but I went ABY > GT10B and Barge VBjr, both of which are buffered, since the VB was always on. It was basically like having an ABY with buffers, just not IN the ABY itself.

Im not saying that TBP is bad, as both my Torn's Peaker and Huckleberry v2 both react differently inside the buffered FX loop of the GT as opposed to being bass>effect.
 
#33
FreaqyFrequency said:
1) I think there will be several long-time owners of Boss effects here who will disagree with your implication about lack of quality.

2) You're also implying that not having true bypass means that it isn't professional, or that it's somehow inferior. If you have missed all the citations to links regarding true bypass in this subforum, do yourself a favor and search google for "True Bypass myths".

Better yet, I'll save you the trouble.

is where the pedal geeks hang out.

Don't really care what the Boss fanboys here think. I've heard it all before and I've owned many. Still have 4 and a GT-8 in a box. Most people who know a lot about pedals these days think that Boss' glory days are now ancient history. They've simply been left for dead the past 10 yrs by many other pedal makers who now make far superior products for the same price, or cheaper. As a result you see less and less Boss pedals on the boards of gigging players.

And no - I'm not suggesting every pedal on a board should be true bypass. You need a few good quality bufferred one's on a board with more than 6 pedals. What I'm saying is that the TU-2, like most other Boss pedals, is a well known tone sucker. They're tone suckers because most are fitted with poor quality buffers and they don't make a single true bypass pedal. People accepted this crap 10 yrs ago cause that's all there was. Times have changed but Boss has not. High quality tuner pedals are now true bypass - like the Strobostomp and the Turbo are.
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#36
Jefenator said:
I'd like to see Boss' answer to this:

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especially if I were to try tracking my pitch in real time. ;)
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That is a very good tuner, better than Korg or Boss. I almost bought it but it does not have daisly chain power capability like the BOSS and Korg tuners do. I called to ask them about and the tech guy told me there is not enough room in the box to incorporate that feature. They didn't want to use a bigger pedal box so if you buy it you will have to seperately power all of your pedals. That is not something I want to do (I typically have between 4 and 8 pedals on my Pedal Train board).

BTW, I was looking because my TU-2 stopped working, the mute while tuning feature stopped working which caused on-stage tuning problems and bass switching problems. I was going to purchase another TU but decided to try the Korg. I can't say there is really any difference between the two. Both are adequate for my bar/outdoor festival/private party gigs. Korg was running a rebate program when I was looking and that coupled with a lower price sealed the deal. I don't have any regrets.
 
#37
BluesWalker said:
That is a very good tuner, better than Korg or Boss. I almost bought it but it does not have daisly chain power capability like the BOSS and Korg tuners do. I called to ask them about and the tech guy told me there is not enough room in the box to incorporate that feature. They didn't want to use a bigger pedal box so if you buy it you will have to seperately power all of your pedals. That is not something I want to do (I typically have between 4 and 8 pedals on my Pedal Train board).

BTW, I was looking because my TU-2 stopped working, the mute while tuning feature stopped working which caused on-stage tuning problems and bass switching problems. I was going to purchase another TU but decided to try the Korg. I can't say there is really any difference between the two. Both are adequate for my bar/outdoor festival/private party gigs. Korg was running a rebate program when I was looking and that coupled with a lower price sealed the deal. I don't have any regrets.
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Soooo.... buy the tuner you actually want, and a 1-Spot daisy chain...? Seems like an obvious solution to the problem to me.
 
#39
hey Freaqy - I come from a guitar playing background and I've been using pedals n tube amps for over 30 years. I've used more pedals than most people have had hot dinners. With all due respect bass forums are not a fountain of knowledge on pedals n effects cause bass players use very few compared to guitarists.
www.thegearpage.com is where the pedal geeks hang out.
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Before registering at TB, I lurked around for a couple of years. There's so much knowledge on these forums and it's helped me loads. In the effects forum there seems to be so much expertise and it's very hard for me to acknowledge what's said above. I think it's quite unfair.
They've simply been left for dead the past 10 yrs by many other pedal makers who now make far superior products for the same price, or cheaper.
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There are a lot of boss units which are great, and which other people agree are great. Not all of them are good; some are real crap. I think it's unfair again to cast-off all of the Boss line simply because some of their 'inferior' products. They are mass producing company after all.
As a result you see less and less Boss pedals on the boards of gigging players.
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http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561214 I see lots of Boss!
High quality tuner pedals are now true bypass - like the Strobostomp and the Turbo are.
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I'm sure that there are other reasons which makes those tuners higher quality than the TU-2 besides the bypass.

With respect to Waxhead, I'm sure he's much more experienced and knowledgeable than I am. I simply disagree with what's been said. I like Boss, although I'm not a fanboy. Again; I find it unfair to cast-off the entire Boss product line. They're just my opinions. No hard feelings :)
 
#40
J.R said:
Before registering at TB, I lurked around for a couple of years. There's so much knowledge on these forums and it's helped me loads. In the effects forum there seems to be so much expertise and it's very hard for me to acknowledge what's said above. I think it's quite unfair.

There are a lot of boss units which are great, and which other people agree are great. Not all of them are good; some are real crap. I think it's unfair again to cast-off all of the Boss line simply because some of their 'inferior' products. They are mass producing company after all.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561214 I see lots of Boss!
I'm sure that there are other reasons which makes those tuners higher quality than the TU-2 besides the bypass.

With respect to Waxhead, I'm sure he's much more experienced and knowledgeable than I am. I simply disagree with what's been said. I like Boss, although I'm not a fanboy. Again; I find it unfair to cast-off the entire Boss product line. They're just my opinions. No hard feelings :)
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The correct URL is http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561214
 

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