Old growth would be rosewood that was harvested before the band was in effect.
Not sure when that was.
The rosewood i've see was 25-75 years old.
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Brazilian rosewood
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Old growth would be rosewood that was harvested before the band was in effect.
Not sure when that was.
The rosewood i've see was 25-75 years old.
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and the planet.
Ethical luthiers won't use the stuff unless it is from an 'old' source, i.e. cut down many years ago. Some of them won't use it at all, regardless of source, and personally I wouldn't either.
It should, at this point, be illegal, period, everywhere.
Cheers,
Cameron
Old growth would be rosewood that was harvested before the band was in effect.
Not sure when that was.
The rosewood i've see was 25-75 years old.
That is incorrect. It is the age of the tree at harvest or standing live...not the age of lumber!!
The date Dalabergia nigra was added to Appendix I of the CITES convention has been allready posted in this thread
Last time I went to Lakland they told me about someone paid ungodly sum for piece of Rosewood that came from some old furniture that they made into a fingerboard board.
It was gorgeous all right. It was really dark and had a lot of color to it. Nothing like the rosewood they use now. Of coarse there is no true rosewood tree, but a number of trees under that name.
It's the green headstock one. The picture does not do any justice to it either.
It was gorgeous all right. It was really dark and had a lot of color to it. Nothing like the rosewood they use now. Of coarse there is no true rosewood tree, but a number of trees under that name.
It's the green headstock one. The picture does not do any justice to it either.
That is incorrect. It is the age of the tree at harvest or standing live...not the age of lumber!!
The date Dalabergia nigra was added to Appendix I of the CITES convention has been allready posted in this thread
Larry is right.
What I seen was rosewood 25-75 years old.
Macassar ebony isn't included as that's the type of ebony Martin uses the most. Madagascar Rosewood is also used, but it's very expensive and in limited supply.
To the poster that says BR shouldn't be used at all, I disagree. If it's cut and legitimately pre-CITES, turn it into something beautiful. It's better than destroying it.
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go into the making of the black chrome knobs. The law makes sense, and should be in effect worldwide. We have got to get as much of that crap as we can out of the ecosystem NOW. It is stupid to produce deadly toxins that never decompose just so a bass player can have blackened chrome knobs. There has got to be a better way to do it, and this law will perhaps force the producers (and purchasers) of this deadly crap to find a way to do it that doesn't toxify the earth for eternity.
The Europeans have it right; it's the rest of the world that doesn't.
Cheers,
Cameron
The FB on my NYC Sadowsky PJ is Brazilian Rosewood and the seller made a big deal about it. Now I know why. It sure does sound good, and the grain is stunning close up.
Sadly, you can't really see the grain in the picture. It is dark, but not black like ebony. Next time I have the strings off it I will take a good closeup picture of the fretboard. It looks gorgeous.
Sadly, you can't really see the grain in the picture. It is dark, but not black like ebony. Next time I have the strings off it I will take a good closeup picture of the fretboard. It looks gorgeous.
The FB on my NYC Sadowsky PJ is Brazilian Rosewood and the seller made a big deal about it. Now I know why. It sure does sound good, and the grain is stunning close up.
Placebo, FTW!
But it's so beautiful, why don't they grow the trees sensibly?
Luckily I only travel with it within EU
The top is BR, FB snakewood
Luckily I only travel with it within EU
The top is BR, FB snakewood
knarleybass
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I was told by a luthier friend that there is still some Brazilian rosewood to be had. He told me that when they cut the trees they were floated down the river to the saw mill, well quite a few of those logs sank to the bottom of the river and only now are they being dredged up and cut into lumber for sale.
Now this is what my friend Bill told me, he could be wrong but it seems logical to me.
Now this is what my friend Bill told me, he could be wrong but it seems logical to me.
Why didn't the just start tree farms for BR in Brazil? That would be a win-win situation both ways. The thing that always gets me is how they lump in BR trees as part of the destruction of the rain forests. BR trees don't grow in the rain forests, they grow near water sources. It has always looked more or less like an excuse to raise prices for me. I realize trees time time to grow, but they have land and a commodity and you would think they would try to exploit it.
I have no idea why it sounds so good. What I do know is that I tried unsuccessfully to get it to sound like my ash/morado Sadowsky until I realized that much of the difference between the two basses could be heard acoustically (unplugged) even with both basses sporting the same new strings. That was the first time I've ever believed that wood had any real effect on tone. Now I do believe wood has an effect on tone, but I'm only beginning to understand what that effect is and how it compares to and interacts with all the other variables (electronics, strings, player, etc.).
Me neither, but it does and is usually worth the additional upcharge. My Rob Allen Mouse 30 has mythical sustain and warmth.
Farmed trees and old growth trees yield lumber than can be quite different. There are woods that are indistinguishable from BR tonally. Unless of course you know which wood is which before hearing them, then the difference is huge and you can jack the price up.
Even Sadowsky himself says you can't hear any difference live or in a recording between different genus of woods let alone species.
How about checkin out the links right below that tells about the restrictions??
"Non-RoHS Compliant items
Regrettably, due to restrictions we are no longer able to ship some items to European Union (EU) countries. We are looking for RoHS compliant versions of these items that we can send internationally. Until that time, we apologize for any inconvenience.
What is RoHS? The RoHS Directive stands for "the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment." This Directive bans the placing on the EU market of new electrical and electronic equipment containing more than agreed levels of lead, cadmium, mercury, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB) and polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) flame retardants."
But I guess most people don't give a f*ck about the environment, so go ahead and think these laws are "goofy".
Brazilian Rosewood....from an old piece of lumber. I bought it before I knew how controversial using an old piece of reclaimed wood could be. I personally feel using reclaimed wood (as in wood that is from old stock or recycled) is better than cutting down virgin "sustainable" timber.
