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Brubaker Brute Club

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Well in response . i play a lot in the upper frets and do some chords up there so i like it low enough that it isn't a strain on my fingers , as far as my action height. I usually us a set up guide by frudua. I set up a string radius template and adjust everything . I also don't use typical string gauge's . I use circle K balanced strings either the 136 balanced set or the 142 balanced set . So i have to set up the bass for these string gauge's also they don't carry as much tension as a regular set of strings.so adjusting the neck is something I have to do .The set up on the brute out of the box was great , intonation was spot on the only thing was that even out of the box the saddle on the G string was all the way down and the g was higher off the fretboard than the D and with keeping the strings on the same radius as the neck it was easier for me to just mill down the G string saddle.And it isn't so low that I have a buzz anywhere on the neck , it could actually go lower if I wanted it to , and the action on my red one is even slightly lower than the new one.It is all personal preference. And really these aren't complaints, I LOVE THE BRUBAKER BRUTE BASS'S. Like i said earlier in this thread I am with a band under the universal label and was offered an endorsement for ibanez or fender and went with brubaker out of my own pocket.the strings I put on this one are gauged at 136. 102. 76. 57. 41 so they are weird but have even tension over the fingerboard. Also like to mention the the fit and finish on these are excellent , along with the fret work, nut and so on. I have never had a bass in the price range come so well set up.
 
Well in response . i play a lot in the upper frets and do some chords up there so i like it low enough that it isn't a strain on my fingers , as far as my action height. I usually us a set up guide by frudua. I set up a string radius template and adjust everything . I also don't use typical string gauge's . I use circle K balanced strings either the 136 balanced set or the 142 balanced set . So i have to set up the bass for these string gauge's also they don't carry as much tension as a regular set of strings.so adjusting the neck is something I have to do .The set up on the brute out of the box was great , intonation was spot on the only thing was that even out of the box the saddle on the G string was all the way down and the g was higher off the fretboard than the D and with keeping the strings on the same radius as the neck it was easier for me to just mill down the G string saddle.And it isn't so low that I have a buzz anywhere on the neck , it could actually go lower if I wanted it to , and the action on my red one is even slightly lower than the new one.It is all personal preference. And really these aren't complaints, I LOVE THE BRUBAKER BRUTE BASS'S. Like i said earlier in this thread I am with a band under the universal label and was offered an endorsement for ibanez or fender and went with brubaker out of my own pocket.the strings I put on this one are gauged at 136. 102. 76. 57. 41 so they are weird but have even tension over the fingerboard. Also like to mention the the fit and finish on these are excellent , along with the fret work, nut and so on. I have never had a bass in the price range come so well set up.

I understand. Sort of tongue in cheek on the action, as I know you are a player, but I've seen bass instructors tell their students that they must have the lowest action possible, which is wrong. And I always laught when guys shoot for nano low action and wonder why there is some fret buzz.

Glad you love the Brutes! They are great workingman basses, cool in looks, built well and have all the versatility you need in a touring and recording basss.
 
I have been recording a bunch with my older one , it has the bartolini's with an audere pre. But i had one track that it couldn't quite get right. I actually redid the track last night with the new JJX5 and it sounded awesome, i was able to get the grit I was looking for with the stock pickups, as where the barts on my other one were just a little to sterile. I am stoked. And my main reason for going to NAMM is to hopefully be able throw my hands around a singlecut brute. And your right the brute is a true working mans bass my previous gig was in a casino band and on average played about 5 nights a week for about 48 weeks out of the year so I am a player. And also lots of music styles go with that so tonal options are always a plus. 90% of those gigs were by brute and a sansamp. thats it. Outdoor venues over the summer were the fun ones , live rigs, floor monitors and no in ear systems , LIVE AND LOUD. Now i spend more time writing and recording , along with getting the songs we have already recorded ready for a live situation. In every live situation i have bassist asking where i got the bass and comment on how well it sounds.
 
Well, I just stumbled across some Brute history that I was unaware of...it's probably all in various threads, but I thought may be of interest to anyone else who didn't know. I had been under the impression the Brute conceptually followed the MVP (of which I'm only aware of one).

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That's Kevin Walker's pickguard model bass, which predates the Brutes by uite a bit. It now sports three pickups and more controls.

I wasn't aware of the original NBP. I think the NBP name is in the process of being re-used for the upcoming 'Precision' model. But the NBP from 2004-5 (apparently New Bobdy Pickguard) seems to have the larger part of the lineage of the Brute. I see a couple of 2006 builds were sold by Jivesound.

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While the MVP was/is a full/extreme custom build, again, with only one example that I know of, the NBP was build as a lower cost option. A $1,500 price range was mentioned early on. I saw an old classified post with a price of $1,650 and a claim that it "would be $3,000 new." I also saw that one sold on ebay for $900.

Here's an unlinked page that's still online (I'm calling it "unlinked" - I don't see how to get to it from the home page)

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I wonder how many of these are floating around...

If Kevin's number system is by model, at least 14 were made in 2006.

Strangely enough I came across one last night. I did a rehearsal with a new band at a music school and the owner asked me to tweak his Brubaker while I was there. At first I thought it was a Brute but upon grabbing it remembered that he had one of the rare early pickguard models. Tweaked the rod and the action was nice and low again.

They weren't priced to sell at $1500. Couldn't have made them here for that price.

BTW the access hole in this pic is for adjusting the internal Bart preamp gain.
 
I always caution people with sick low action that there is such thing as too low. You still have to consider the physics of string vibration. I've had some guys come to me and complain about basses they couldn't get "low" (not talking Brutes here) only to find that they were trying to get the strings basically a nanometer above the fretboard without any buzz, and they were complaining about lack of sound or loudness.

Now, I don't necessarily say that low action is bad, but every maker has a factory/recommended string height. Its based on the optimum design and allowing the string to properly vibrate in the pickup field.

Personally, I've never quite understood the desire to get really low action. While it may assist with speed a little, I'd love someone to enlighten me on what the benefits are to them.

As for the Brutes, so far I haven't had to do any tweaking other then adjust one saddle for slight intonation (it was on but not perfect and I managed to get it perfect) and one half turn for string height on the D string. Kevin sets them ALL up before they get shipped.

I agree, there is a point that can be too low with action. I've had basses set up that could play super low without buzzing and others that could do the same but felt better to me with the action a bit higher. It all depends on the bass and the player. How you play is just as big a factor in the success of low action as the bass in question IME.

I have a friend who can thump and pop over a high ramp. With that sort of technique super low action is not an impediment. So that's the appeal. I'm used to playing with high ramps so low action doesn't hinder me... and I can get a hard attack type sound.
 
That's Kevin Walker's pickguard model bass, which predates the Brutes by uite a bit. It now sports three pickups and more controls.



Strangely enough I came across one last night. I did a rehearsal with a new band at a music school and the owner asked me to tweak his Brubaker while I was there. At first I thought it was a Brute but upon grabbing it remembered that he had one of the rare early pickguard models. Tweaked the rod and the action was nice and low again.

They weren't priced to sell at $1500. Couldn't have made them here for that price.

BTW the access hole in this pic is for adjusting the internal Bart preamp gain.

Yeah, coincidentally, the day I met Kevin Walker, he had the MVP there and the 3rd pickup work was in process, so I saw that.

Neat story about running across a NBP and interesting about the access hole. I was wondering about that. Nice feature.

So, do you know if there are any other MVPs, or is Kevin's the only one?
 
Yeah, coincidentally, the day I met Kevin Walker, he had the MVP there and the 3rd pickup work was in process, so I saw that.

Neat story about running across a NBP and interesting about the access hole. I was wondering about that. Nice feature.

So, do you know if there are any other MVPs, or is Kevin's the only one?

The thing that differentiates that bass is the Spalted Maple board and to a lesser extent pickguard. He might have done a similar one, I don't recall.
 
The thing that differentiates that bass is the Spalted Maple board and to a lesser extent pickguard. He might have done a similar one, I don't recall.

Pictures can obviously fool you, but the body contours look far more rounded on the MVP. And the jack is on the pickguard, like the Brute. On the NBP, the corners appear to be sharper than the Brute.

Yeah, that board on Kevin's bass is just incredible.
 
Pictures can obviously fool you, but the body contours look far more rounded on the MVP. And the jack is on the pickguard, like the Brute. On the NBP, the corners appear to be sharper than the Brute.

They are... it's basically the older NBS style with a pickguard. The newer NBS basses are more rounded.


BTW I was talking about the big differentiators, not details.
 
Eric Turner just posted this on the Brubaker Facebook page...

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BUTCHER'S PASTE WAX (lower left hand corner)..... the miracle everything wax for quality basses. I thought this was a secret known by only Stu Spector, Pete Skjold and I.... Looks like Kevin's smarter than the rest of us!
 
Okay Guys, I need your help!

I am going to NAMM, and want to bring a binder with pictures of all your Brutes and info if possible. Can you email me pictures, your info (name, email etc) serial number if it has one and anything else you would like?

Send them to [email protected].

I can't wait to show Kevin what all his "children" look like.

Thanks, tom
 
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