Did people get upset at soultrain? They did these things all the time on shows in the 60's and 70's. They should have turned pete townshend's mic off when thr who played though.
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Bruno Mars/RHCP *POLL*- Play Syncing! Where Do You Stand
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Sorry, but music isn't fantasy. It has nothing to do with some movie with actors playing against some blue screen muppet. Music should be about a group of musicians interacting with each other to make actual music that's never been heard before.
I suggest you restrict your "suspended disbelief" to movies. When it comes to music, you obviously don't have a clue. I can teach a parrot to sing along to a song, but that doesn't make it John Lennon - Instant Karma's gonna get you - Polly wants a cracker.
[QUOTE]A media-savvy consumer in the 21st Century?[/QUOTE] I assume you're young, and I'll forgive you for that, but you must be joking. Musicians play music, and every time they play a song it's different. They're not parrots, nor are they Luke Skywalker or Spiderman. If you really want to be a musician, I suggest you lay of those mushrooms and the stupid comic book films as well. Both will only hinder your progress.
Well that ship sailed a long time ago, bro.
Where's the line?
How about overdubs in a studio? For a long time now bands don't even need to be together to make a record. But maybe it was OK cuz it was all going down to the same piece of two inch tape. But what about edits to the two inch, you know, the old razor blade kind, where they maybe helped the drummer out with his timing. Then everyone tracked their bits over the tightened up drum part? OK, or not? And then they tracked 4 guitar parts and comped together one or two? And vocals? Ditto. What about hiring a guy to lay down a sax solo? Dude isn't even in the band, band's gone home and told the producer to call in his best guy and they will come back tomorrow and listen to the play back? Kosher, or not?
I could go on, but you get the point. And with digital, the variations and possibilities above expand exponentially. How about we are tracking in LA, and the producers best sax guy is in Austarilia? He hits a studio and tracks his part and they FTP it to the studio in LA......TAH DAH!
There is a bit of make believe in all this. Hell, bands have had supplemental musicians and signers behind curtains hidden from the crowd to help fill out thief sound.
I like nothing more than to go to some crap local club and hear good music played by a group interacting with each other. That said, I don't see it as a travesty when someone goes off the reservation on occasion.
Other acts that are more or less smoke and mirrors all the time, well, I'm just not that interested. I'm also not gonna lose any sleep over it either.
And this is why I still idolize Axl Rose.
No lip sync, no punch, nothing on an album that they can't do live.
No lip sync, no punch, nothing on an album that they can't do live.
Well you put me in my place, Mark.
It's all just meant in fun - no offence meant at all. May the music Gods shine kindly upon you (I know, way too much Scotch for a line like that).
Cheers,
Mark
Sure, but you're talking working in studios, and in that case I agree with you. But that's a lot different to a band who is (or should) be playing live in front millions of people - it's not the same thing in the slightest. And if indeed they were "not allowed" to play live, they should have told the promoters to stick it.
Okay, so it's just some halftime spot at a sporting event, but even so, surely their fans (and everyone else) deserve better. The fact that they've had to defend themselves shows that a hell of lot people didn't appreciate that farce. I'm betting their fans were the most ardent critics, and rightly so.
When Madonna or Justin Bieber lip sync, I'm not surprised (it's par for the course with those idiots), but I expect better from a veteran rock band, especially one with a reputation for being a great "live" act.
My take is they saw it as a once in a lifetime opportunity, and something that taken as a whole experience (game included) would be a hell of a good time, so they said yes.
I don't fault them one bit for that.
I think you and I will just have agree to disagree on this one, Mark.
Peace
I don't fault them one bit for that.
I think you and I will just have agree to disagree on this one, Mark.
Peace
Fair enough. I know it's a huge sporting event, but I don't really understand how big a deal it really is, or how many people actually watch it (it's not a well known sport here). I've seen a couple of baseball games when I when I the U.S, but never an American Football match.
Have a good one,
Mark
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beating a dead horse here but it's still an interesting topic.
what do you propose the NFL do from here on out for Super Bowl Half Time shows? Dog show? Musical Chairs (the music will still be recorded BTW)? Someone's uncle doing bad card tricks or pulling coins out of someone's ear? Americans, football fans, want music. It has to be recorded.
Also, if it were me, i'd welcome the oncoming scrutiny at future performances with open arms. I'll be proving myself to a much larger audience. With higher ticket prices, by the way. And they're selling fast so buy early. And if i've performed to your standards, please buy a shirt in the lobby (the price of which has also gone up significantly.)
well, no money but yeah.
no cashola either, im afraid.
keep waiting by your mailbox, but no check is coming.
yay for experience and spectacle!
maybe a quarterly check from itunes for "give it away" downloads...
Flea plays music, Bale acts. It's their job to entertain. It's their craft, their art, their passion. They both worked hard for a lifetime honing their skills. Who are you to knock anyone for doing their job?
Well that explains it. 115 million people watched it. that's kind of a lot.
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I'd also like to add that sure, RHCP do not need any further exposure. But as a band it's an honor to be up there. As NFL fans, it must be quite an experience. "oh you spent $500,000 on your skybox suite? i was on the field. you may have seen me and my friends on that big stage in the middle.."
what do you propose the NFL do from here on out for Super Bowl Half Time shows? Dog show? Musical Chairs (the music will still be recorded BTW)? Someone's uncle doing bad card tricks or pulling coins out of someone's ear? Americans, football fans, want music. It has to be recorded.
Also, if it were me, i'd welcome the oncoming scrutiny at future performances with open arms. I'll be proving myself to a much larger audience. With higher ticket prices, by the way. And they're selling fast so buy early. And if i've performed to your standards, please buy a shirt in the lobby (the price of which has also gone up significantly.)
well, no money but yeah.
no cashola either, im afraid.
keep waiting by your mailbox, but no check is coming.
yay for experience and spectacle!
maybe a quarterly check from itunes for "give it away" downloads...
Flea plays music, Bale acts. It's their job to entertain. It's their craft, their art, their passion. They both worked hard for a lifetime honing their skills. Who are you to knock anyone for doing their job?
Well that explains it. 115 million people watched it. that's kind of a lot.
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I'd also like to add that sure, RHCP do not need any further exposure. But as a band it's an honor to be up there. As NFL fans, it must be quite an experience. "oh you spent $500,000 on your skybox suite? i was on the field. you may have seen me and my friends on that big stage in the middle.."
No money you say? What do you think global marketing to 115 million people is worth in terms of record sales?
Plenty of other acts (The Stones, Paul MCcArtney, Aerosmith, etc) all played live. In fact I found a heap of great acts that played live. So why not the Chilli Peppers? If they'd insisted, they could have done an actual live show. Sure, they're entertainers, but they're also supposed to be musicians. Sorry, but I don't believe that a band of their stature was "forced" to mime to backing tracks. If so, they should have told them to stuff it. I find no "honour" in what they did. In fact I think it will go down as a low point in their career. The fact that over 100 million people watch it makes it even more embarrassing imo. If we were talking about Britney Spears, Madonna or Justin Beiber, I wonder if you'd be so quick to defend them. Be honest now?
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Absolutely i would. I wouldn't defend them lip synching night after night on tour, but if they can keep an entire nation entertained for 15 minutes during a football game, then yes, i see no harm.
