burk48237 said:
Sure, a larger bullet appeals to our logic moreso than anything but that doesn't change the reality or the truth of what I said.
Ok, but this doesn't change the reality that they've actually had great success with their 9mm shooting 124 gr gold dot bullets. Again, the fact that many of them would rather have .40's doesn't affect the reality of things. Firearms and bullets follow trends, which I'm sure you've seen just as clearly as I have. Right now the trend is headed back towards .40 and .45 like it did many years ago before the "wondernine" craze. The trends are not always indicative of the reality of performance though.
I know "caliber wars" inspire a lot of gut reaction and passionate debate for some reason but please understand that I'm not saying "9mm rules all other cartridges" or anything close to that. All I'm saying is that with quality, proven HP ammo and good training it just flat out doesn't matter what you're shooting between 9mm, 357sig or mag, .40 or .45. This might go against what many view as "common sense" but the facts back it up.
Here's an interesting photo comparing the results of shooting those four calibers into calibrated 10% ballistic gelatin. As you can see all calibers had very similar penetration and wound tracks. Dye has been injected into the gelatin to better highlight wound tracks and temporary cavitation. The kind of "bloomy" looking areas near the entrance point on each track illustrates temporary cavity effects, which play little to no part in handgun wounding:
Hey I agree. Most of the opinions here have been far more informed than your average gun threads on non-gun boards. I've seen some that have just gotten ridiculous. Also, I've agreed with a lot of the things you've said and it seems like you and Mike A speak from actual experience and not just from reading a bunch of stuff on the internet. As for Golden Boy...well...he watches too many movies.
Just kiddin', GB "GERONIMOOOOO!" I do research a bunch of stuff on the internet but I have a lot of shooting experience too. My uncle is a lieutenant investigator for the Harris County (Houston) District Attorney and he's also a shooting instructor for his dept. He taught me a lot of what I know about shooting. He's had extensive training himself including sniper training. I'm lucky to have someone to learn from with so much real world experience. I also shoot with some pretty experienced friends and we've learned a lot together. One friend has attended training at Thunder Ranch from Clint Smith and it's fun to shoot with him because it seems like we are both often able to teach something to the other. Anyway...too bad you're way up in MI or we could get together and do some shooting! Same to you, MIKE A!
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