Buckeye beauty 11

[spade2you]

Jaco only needed 4 strings, there's no money above the 5th fret, anything with 5+ string is a dag gum harp, bla bla bla.........

My 2 cents....this bass is cool!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not currently ready for a 11, but that doesn't mean I'll be hatin'.

 

[lamarjones]

Mark, you've posted that picture of a guitar and the tone of your response as though the 9 string guitar is a standard instrument widely used. I've been playing music for 20 years, and quite honestly that is the first 9 string guitar that I (and probably the majority of people reading this) have seen, either as an image or in real life. For the record, the same as I can't understand a bass which needs to go so high, I can't really understand why a guitarist would want to play so low.

I hate to break it to you, but this completely is one of those times where you need to understand that even though you don't like something, it doesn't change one bit of its existence or its use.

In fact, you keep on driving that point, and the only thing it lets us know is that you are familiar with only so much going on in the music world. Actually, its not even that, is it? You are refusing to accept it exists, which is even weirder. Warr guitars, ERBs, hell KEYS GUYS take care of the low and high, been doing that forever. You saying great keys players are taking care of too much?

 

[EddieG]

I hate to break it to you, but this completely is one of those times where you need to understand that even though you don't like something, it doesn't change one bit of its existence or its use.

In fact, you keep on driving that point, and the only thing it lets us know is that you are familiar with only so much going on in the music world. Actually, its not even that, is it? You are refusing to accept it exists, which is even weirder. Warr guitars, ERBs, hell KEYS GUYS take care of the low and high, been doing that forever. You saying great keys players are taking care of too much?

Wow, you really read between the lines there. In fact, you read between the lines so deeply that you've managed to interpret my actual words as meaning something completely different that didn't even enter my head as I posted them!!

For starts, why would I have familiarised myself with an instrument or method of playing I see no point in? That's like a bricklayer familiarising himself with the finer points of plumbing. Why would I do that? Secondly, I'm well aware that these instruments exist. I've seen the pictures and videos, and my eyes and ears work. I personally don't consider them as basses as such, more soloist string instruments because of the upper range they reach being outside of the realm of bass.

But you've obviously do. So tell me, do you also consider the Chapman Stick a bass? If not, why not? It has the same range as Al's instrument. What about that black Conklin guitar, is that a bass? If not, why not? It plays in partially the same range as Jean's instrument. Perhaps its the scale length that makes a bass a bass, so what about the Ashbory, is that a bass? How can it be, its not 34" scale, is it?

 

[James Hart]

So tell me, do you also consider the Chapman Stick a bass? If not, why not? It has the same range as Al's instrument.

no, it's not approached like a bass, it is it's own instrument type with the Warr.

What about that black Conklin guitar, is that a bass? If not, why not? It plays in partially the same range as Jean's instrument.

no, it's not approached like a bass, it's played as a guitar.

so what about the Ashbory, is that a bass? How can it be, its not 34" scale, is it?

yes it's a bass because it is approached as a bass.

 

[EddieG]

But therein lies my point, James. You're saying that they are basses because of the approach to playing them rather than the musical range of the instrument. But if you watch Jean playing the Mario theme tune, he's playing that in a physically VERY un-bassistlike way. Compare his playing style to the style needed to perform on the Chapman Stick, and they're identical. In fact, pick any of the videos on Youtube featuring Jean utilising his ERBs and not one will feature bass playing, they're all tapping in an identical physical method to that needed to play the Stick.

So with that said, if I start playing two handed tapping lines on an Ashbory, playing lower notes and chordal stuff simultaneously, does it cease being a bass and become an ERB? What about the Conklin, suppose I only use it to hold down basslines and nothing higher, does it then become a bass because I've altered my approach to how I use it?

And if I take Jean's 11 string, and only use the top strings to play guitar-style chords and nothing more, what then?

 

[ibanezcollector]

Eddie has a point..

But I could care less, what I would like to see is these ERB users posting more melodic stuff than mario brothers or the legend of zelda

 

[James Hart]

But therein lies my point, James. You're saying that they are basses because of the approach to playing them rather than the musical range of the instrument.

I speak for no man but myself.... but to continue beating the dead horse, I was also speaking of mind set. How I would mentally approach those, not necessarily physical technique.

I use an ERB to create music I like.... the songs are for my wife and I, no one else matters (but yes I like to be liked, that's part of human nature)...



Here is a sample of my music... call the instrument what you will, it's a bass to me and alway will be.

 

[Angus]

it could, but the high G-string and the "low" E on the treble side would be confusing. It's a 6th apart. So you're missing out on 8 notes in that position.

Don't mean to knock you off your high horse here or nothing, but the low E on a guitar is a minor third lower than the high G on a bass, buddy.

The rest of this thread is stupid.

 

[spade2you]

Here is a sample of my music... call the instrument what you will, it's a bass to me and alway will be.

Good stuff. I hate to break it to you, but that's not a bass, it's an accordian with strings........

The rest of this thread is stupid.

What else would we do if non-standard basses weren't so hated? Work while we're at work?!

 

[trb6pJM2]

WOOT, go James awesome song.


Eddie, no seriously.. no, chapman sitck, is a flipped tuning instrument with minimalist spacing that cannot be played any other way than tapping. Then conklin 9 string guitar is just that a guitar, with minimalist spacing and meant to be played with a pick. it is also not tuned in fourths as an 11 string bass is. come on, its all personal preference, and i mean come on, there's noone else on this board that makes this big of a fuss over such a little thing. anybody want to post some pictures of some 7-11 stringers that you like? my favorite is the one in the beginning. anybody else have any favorites.

 

[trb6pJM2]

for all of ye who have been sayin why arent there extended range guitars, i present you the alto guitar..... 11strings ZOMG!!!! EVERYONE GO ON ULTIMATEGUITAR AND SAY ITS NOT A GUITAR http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO0IXIsumeU

 

[Mark Wilson]

Eddie,

Just wanted to apologize for sounding like a prick in that post.
It came out wrong

 

[hey]

That Benavente (from the first post) probably cost $28475294578249857294.14




















Maybe a bit less.

 

[john turner]

I thought the whole point of Talkbass, and promoting it as a community was to encourage a free exchange of opinions and ideas, not to oppressively censor posts which you don't personally agree with.

with respect for every member, yeah, that -is- the point. telling people what they should play is not respectful. insulting their instrument choice is not respectful.

doing it to al caldwell is flatout ignorant. he's played his 9 string on the tonight show (he's in vanessa williams' band, and toured with both 9 and 11's with her) and i can say with impunity that he is -10 times- the musician... well, you know where this is going.

your continuous "get a guitar" drone is tiresome - this is the third thread i've seen it in. please read this thread, post #4 ...

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138979


you have a strong opinion about erb's? you wanna back it up with something, or you just spewing hot air? why should anyone listen to you? put some samples up, show us "how it's supposed to be done", and let us judge the validity of your opinion.

otherwise, give it a rest already.

also, you have a question for a moderator, take it to private message. you got a warning before because you refused to do so in another thread, and now you are doing it in this one. that's not kosher here at talkbass.

 

[john turner]

But therein lies my point, James. You're saying that they are basses because of the approach to playing them rather than the musical range of the instrument. But if you watch Jean playing the Mario theme tune, he's playing that in a physically VERY un-bassistlike way. Compare his playing style to the style needed to perform on the Chapman Stick, and they're identical. In fact, pick any of the videos on Youtube featuring Jean utilising his ERBs and not one will feature bass playing, they're all tapping in an identical physical method to that needed to play the Stick.

So with that said, if I start playing two handed tapping lines on an Ashbory, playing lower notes and chordal stuff simultaneously, does it cease being a bass and become an ERB? What about the Conklin, suppose I only use it to hold down basslines and nothing higher, does it then become a bass because I've altered my approach to how I use it?

And if I take Jean's 11 string, and only use the top strings to play guitar-style chords and nothing more, what then?

bass is not only a frequency, it's a function. as early as bach's organ tocattas and fugues, the bass "role" was performed by right-hand range parts, while the left hand "bass frequency parts" were built around melody.

free your mind.

 

[john turner]

anybody want to post some pictures of some 7-11 stringers that you like? my favorite is the one in the beginning. anybody else have any favorites.

pick one. i play em all the time. of course, i'm not a bassist lol.

 

[James Hart]

of course, i'm not a bassist lol.

Cat rustler with peculiar taste in fencing if you ask me

 

[john turner]

heh. it keeps out the dogs.

 

[James Hart]

WOOT, go James awesome song.

Thanks! I'm having a ball playing them!

anybody want to post some pictures of some 7-11 stringers that you like? my favorite is the one in the beginning. anybody else have any favorites.

my fav 7+ string bass...

but a Benavente SCA is one of my favorite shapes too. Owning a pair of basses from Chris B, I know his stuff is tough to match.

 

[trb6pJM2]

pick one. i play em all the time. of course, i'm not a bassist lol.

well of course not, if you go above a certain frequency you're not a bassist right? lol

my personaly favorite is third from the right the 36 fretless I think?