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Bugera Veyron Now Available
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Oh yeah! It's one of those unsolved mysteries sort of thing!
- Feb 12, 2006
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Correct, the Streamliner and Shuttles were in fact different flavors for different player preferences.
Because then they would crank out excellent copies?
I'm sure they have tight business contracts with the industrial clients they service.
They are being tight lipped.
Their business is growing and not just their own product wise.
Opinions on the Web never go away, but the stories are old about a young company and not part of their current model of their current huge business.
Veyron is a fine head, but I hope to see some merging of their other technologies into their bass gear. Something from all their brands. Much more around TC, and modeling. With presets and integration with software and a decent editor.
I think it is about time we bass players demanded bass amp manufacturers to use an industry standard wattage (to me best is RMS) and to be specific about what Watts the amp produces at specific Ohms. I am in the market for a high power bass amp head but I will not consider brands who are deceptive of wattage ratings and I hope all of you out there will do the same. I won't consider an amp that is 2000 dog watts. Tell me the Truth.
You feel RMS is the best method but some of the manufacturers disagree with your assessment. I think the manufacturers in the industry need to come together and reach a consensus. That won't be an easy thing to accomplish. As for the "2000 dog watts", if they perform like I need them to I'll rock with them.
I'm not really interested in all of the modeling & presets but I know that interests a lot of players. As long as they keep some solid options in their lineup that are pretty straightforward, I'll be willing to consider them....
IMHO - No to RMS.
Too much baggage an interpretation problems.
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It is going to have to be manufacturers cooperating with each other. There is not chance of any government regulation in the US. Europe is leading the consumer protection and there may be hope there. If US companies want to sell in the EU market, they will have to comply. ROHS is an example of this approach working.
You don't have to use them. For example, there's a lot of function keys and keyboard shortcuts on a PC that maybe many don't use during the day. It hurts nothing to not use them other than efficiency and productivity if you have to switch modes throughout the day. But they need to be there for those who do like to utilize them or I'll look at another brand that does.
I suspect Bugera and TC and doing some joint project. I hope so. There's a lot of great talent at TC
I know but I'd just prefer not to have that functionality. All that I'd be doing is paying extra for something that I'm not interested in. That is, unless they still have some nice more traditional options. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be developed. It's just not me.
Maybe extra for a base model.
It happens on a lot of tech that extra features help sell in bulk and can lower the cost of high end features. One piece of gear that is super flexible and it sells in bulk, easier to make one than X number of models. On the veyron, I can see why they didn't put the M and T in the same head with a switch. Overall it might have been a lower cost for the T and a slightly higher cost for the M, but one model on the market could reduce cost, distribution, and service. They recover costs on the consumables of the T. Printers are cheap because you're stuck buying ink cartridges. In this case, I would not say the "T" is a premium worth anything compared to what TC could bring to the table. We'll see. It will probably be a few years until a new model comes out as there just isn't a lot of technolgy push in the Bass gear markets.
I guess that I'm sort of the opposite of you. If I see an amp that has all that extra on it, I'm probably not likely to give it much consideration. I'd take either Veyron over anything that TC Electronic has to offer. That's not me saying that one is inherently better. Just me saying that one is better for me....
Nothing to interpret. By any decent, modern wattage rating standard, and for purposes of anyone buying a bass amp, RMS X 2 = Peak.
Agreed. Funny thing, I initially thought my Shuttle 9.0 was underpowered until I realized that I did something I always preach against...
I set my new amp's gain controls up like my old amp's. Duh. Then I read the manual (duh pt. II), adjusted the gains correctly for what I was after and it was party time. It wasn't even a big tweak but it yielded big results. Great amp.
I revisited the Streamliner after that epiphany and while it sounded very good for some things I preferred the Shuttle because it covered so much tonal ground and hit like a jackhammer when needed.
When I was asked about the wattage on my Veyron, I'd usually mention the controversy and cap it with this:
"I don't care if it's 300w. If it is, it's the baddest 300w head I've ever used".
If I have gear that can get way louder than I ever need and sound like I want, the rest is unimportant to me. Because that's what I want in a rig... great sound, no struggling. The fact that some refuse to look at it over a spec frankly blows my mind. I've yet to gig on paper or with a spec.
Deceptive can obviously be in the eye of the beholder. I'm not going to ignore any unfamiliar gear based on a spec. For me, that makes no more sense than ignoring a brand I never heard of... because I never heard of it. I'll put my ears and grubby mitts on it like I always do and then decide. It's lead to some great discoveries so I'm cool with my process.
When I initially saw the Veyrons' wattage ratings I honestly didn't give it much thought. Because from experience I know that that doesn't tell much of the story. If it was a legit 2kw and sounded like something I didn't care for tonally, no sale. If it was cool tonally but struggled to keep up in a live situation, again... no sale. So no one line item was going to stop me from checking it out. After all, suppose it worked?
Besides, who's to say dog watts aren't better? Maybe my cat but he no longer gigs.
... The fact that some refuse to look at it over a spec frankly blows my mind. I've yet to gig on paper or with a spec.
I have great respect for your opinions and have tried out gear based on your recommendations. Thanks for that. It isn't the wattage spec that makes me refuse to look at the amp; it's the deception involved. As you said, deception is in the eye of the beholder, and that's what my eye is telling me about the wattage spec. I wouldn't gig with a deceptive bandmate, so it's consistent if I don't want to gig with equipment that has deceptive elements, in the eye of this beholder.
I have great respect for your opinions and have tried out gear based on your recommendations. Thanks for that. It isn't the wattage spec that makes me refuse to look at the amp; it's the deception involved. As you said, deception is in the eye of the beholder, and that's what my eye is telling me about the wattage spec. I wouldn't gig with a deceptive bandmate, so it's consistent if I don't want to gig with equipment that has deceptive elements, in the eye of this beholder.
What makes their specs deceptive to you? The manual states that the amps are 2000 watts peak. Are you saying that is a lie? If so, what proof can you offer?
If it's 2000 Watts Peak, by any reasonable standard, it would have to do very close to 1000 Watts RMS. Is that expected from this amp?
I know the iNuke was said to be "maybe" 1/10 to the best I've heard 1/4 of the rated power. The iNuke had a hot mega thread running a few years ago.
I hope those who have purchased any of these products gets what they expect, and at least what they paid for. My issue as far as specs go (dishonesty aside), is the way this gear comes across for new people, those that just don't know anything about gear. What if they know a little, or search wattage ratings here? They will think they need a 2000 Watt or maybe a 1000 watt speaker. What if they have a 500 Watt RMS amp and buy a 500 Watt Behringer speaker for it?
If you believe the Veyron IS 1000 WRMS, how about pulling the cover and reading us the voltage of the power supply caps?
I know the iNuke was said to be "maybe" 1/10 to the best I've heard 1/4 of the rated power. The iNuke had a hot mega thread running a few years ago.
I hope those who have purchased any of these products gets what they expect, and at least what they paid for. My issue as far as specs go (dishonesty aside), is the way this gear comes across for new people, those that just don't know anything about gear. What if they know a little, or search wattage ratings here? They will think they need a 2000 Watt or maybe a 1000 watt speaker. What if they have a 500 Watt RMS amp and buy a 500 Watt Behringer speaker for it?
If you believe the Veyron IS 1000 WRMS, how about pulling the cover and reading us the voltage of the power supply caps?
