Bugera Veyron Now Available

[rufus.K]

I've repaired 3 of the Veyron tube models. the three 12ax7 heaters are wired in series, but the circuit is apparently supplying ~44 volts (which is too high). I'm guessing they use that voltage on the SS models preamp as +/- 18v with regulators. the excess heat on the preamp tubes does something gnarly in that aluminum box and I've had to re-flow joints.
there are dropping resistors in the start and end of the heater circuit, and I considered raising them to bring the level down, but have no idea of the current capability of the supply, and didnt want to add another heat making device so I left it alone.
the stock Bugera tubes are hit or miss, but (suprisingly) the JJs I put in one didnt last long at all.

 

[BadExample]

REALLY bad joke! Especially for use in this thread......

So... you've never been to Asia.

Here's a pic of the inside of the Veyron Tube......

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Sorry, I don't see the point. I see a lot of electronic components not made by the tribe.

 

[ebozzz]

So... you've never been to Asia.

So, it's cool now to suggest that their low costs are due to "10 year old child laborers" regardless of whether or not it's true?

Behringer Unveiled a Very Impressive New 3-Million-Square-Foot Factory. It's Basically a City

Sorry, I don't see the point. I see a lot of electronic components not made by the tribe.

It's just a picture. You can form your own opinion. I've never seen the inside of a Streamliner. Maybe it looks pretty much the same. Maybe it doesn't....

 

[ebozzz]

Sorry, I don't see the point. I see a lot of electronic components not made by the tribe.

You've got me curious now. Just from that pic how exactly can you tell what is made by "Tribe" and what isn't? Honest question....

 

[agedhorse]

For the record, Genz Benz never applied 44 volts to ~36 volts worth of heaters (in series), and we never used SMT assembly on the preamp board (and all IC's were socketed).

 

[seamonkey]

They are very good about keeping secrets, they were careful to not show anything being manufactured, yet I'm sure they manufacture for other MI makers and for other industries. They didn't invest in all that real estate and equipment just for their own product lines.

 

[ebozzz]

They are very good about keeping secrets, they were careful to not show anything being manufactured, yet I'm sure they manufacture for other MI makers and for other industries. They didn't invest in all that real estate and equipment just for their own product lines.

Might that have an impact on their profit margin?

 

[seamonkey]

Might that have an impact on their profit margin?

IMHO - The are successful at leveraging China for their manufacturing. Many other companies tried and failed. It is probably more profitable for Music Tribe to expand their manufacturing capabilities and offer the service to other MI companies. Especially all the other companies that failed. The others may have brand names and designs that musicians desire, but they don't the have manufacturing capabilities that Music Tribe has. A good quality manufacturing plant with good pricing, why not?

 

[ebozzz]

Ok, can we please go back to talking about the amps instead of all of this "who shot John" mess?

 

[ebozzz]

 

[Downunderwonder]

IMHO - The are successful at leveraging China for their manufacturing. Many other companies tried and failed. It is probably more profitable for Music Tribe to expand their manufacturing capabilities and offer the service to other MI companies. Especially all the other companies that failed. The others may have brand names and designs that musicians desire, but they don't the have manufacturing capabilities that Music Tribe has. A good quality manufacturing plant with good pricing, why not?

Because then they would crank out excellent copies?

 

[ebozzz]

Because then they would crank out excellent copies?

Yep......

 

[Brad Johnson]

That was absolutely a shot. I'm ready to be corrected here, but this is where reputation comes into play - as any more I automatically assume that if I see something from Behringer, or their most closely associated sub-brands, that it's just a reverse engineered clone of something else. Can you argue that there isn't a history there? Reputations are hard to change.

Will I argue against your assumption? Nope. Your comfort with trafficking in that is damning enough.

You apparently have zero evidence that the Veyron was not the product of Behringer's R&D yet that's exactly what you're saying. Because other than the fact that you want to believe it... you have nothing. Nice.

Reputations based on assumptions can be impossible to change in some minds.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Frequency response may exclude the preamp section, but if it does, it certainly should include (as a separate spec) HPF frequency, if any. HPF should be listed anyway. On their latest pre-carvin-death, carvin specified frequency response of the amplifier section.

That reminds my, preamp controls, freq. center and +db/-db.

SNR for the bass amp as a whole.

Whatever the frequency response between the goalposts are, it is not going to inform you about what an amp actually sounds like. And for many users, what an amp sounds like is kind of a big deal.

 

[Brad Johnson]

So let's say hypothetically Behringer is copying others' circuitry. How are they making the lower price point - lower margin or cheaper components?

If you manufacture your own components that cuts out middlemen. And if the components manufactured in this manner cost the company less, does that make them "cheap"? Nope.

Generally speaking, there are still people who consider items made in China to be cheap crap... as if facilities in China can't manufacture to whatever quality level they so choose?

If you absorb IP that can be another cost savings. There are other ways to positively impact the bottom line.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Here's a pic of the inside of the Veyron Tube......

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Clearly a cheap copy of a Streamliner.

 

[ebozzz]

There are other ways to positively impact the bottom line.

Yes, maybe even like selling some of those parts you're making to other companies......

 

[Brad Johnson]

Exactly.

 

[Munjibunga]

If you manufacture your own components that cuts out middlemen. And if the components manufactured in this manner cost the company less, does that make them "cheap"? Nope.

Generally speaking, there are still people who consider items made in China to be cheap crap... as if facilities in China can't manufacture to whatever quality level they so choose?

If you absorb IP that can be another cost savings. There are other ways to positively impact the bottom line.

Does Behringer manufacture its own components?

 

[ebozzz]

Does Behringer manufacture its own components?

Taken from an interview from November of 2009....

Almost ten years ago, we invested a lot of money in "Behringer City" but above all in quality assurance measures. This is the reason why today we produce almost everything ourselves. From electronics and wood processing to cable production and switches and paper production for the loudspeaker diaphragm. As a rule, own production is not cheaper, but it guarantees quality and consistency.

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