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Building a PA, a journey.

Hi

Anyone ever tried a BOSE 802 speaker .Eight x 5 1/2 speakers.aLot of air being pushed and not just at an 80 degree angle.At least worth looking at.That's ruffly a 44 inch speaker.They come in their own traveling case.Weight 30 lbs? Think about it?

Dave
 
I started piecing together a PA system over the past 10 years, all used and unfortunately heavy as hell. I picked up 2 Yorkville Elite 18" SW800 subs cabs that were unloaded for cheap and installed the 18" B&C drivers that Yorkville uses in their LS801P as the internal dimensions and scoop size are virtually identical. I power these with a bridged Crown K2.

I found a used Pair of Yorkville EF508s on Kijiji for $400.00 with the matching EP508 crossover, I power these with a QSC RMX 2450 in Stereo.

Needing Floor monitors I picked up 4 Yorkville Pulse T12Ms for $150 each and I have 2 Crest Pro Lite 2.0 amps to give me 4 separate monitor mixes which brings me to the last piece of the puzzle.

My Mixer is far to basic for my needs, it's a Yamaha MG 12/4 that I've had for ever and it's tough as hell. What I need is a mixer with at least 16XLR channels, A minimum of 4 aux sends and fader EQ's that have sweepable mids. I've been looking at the Allen & Heath Mix3 16:2, though the price has me hesitant. Is there anything comparable that won't cost my marriage?
 
I started piecing together a PA system over the past 10 years, all used and unfortunately heavy as hell. I picked up 2 Yorkville Elite 18" SW800 subs cabs that were unloaded for cheap and installed the 18" B&C drivers that Yorkville uses in their LS801P as the internal dimensions and scoop size are virtually identical. I power these with a bridged Crown K2.

I found a used Pair of Yorkville EF508s on Kijiji for $400.00 with the matching EP508 crossover, I power these with a QSC RMX 2450 in Stereo.

Needing Floor monitors I picked up 4 Yorkville Pulse T12Ms for $150 each and I have 2 Crest Pro Lite 2.0 amps to give me 4 separate monitor mixes which brings me to the last piece of the puzzle.

My Mixer is far to basic for my needs, it's a Yamaha MG 12/4 that I've had for ever and it's tough as hell. What I need is a mixer with at least 16XLR channels, A minimum of 4 aux sends and fader EQ's that have sweepable mids. I've been looking at the Allen & Heath Mix3 16:2, though the price has me hesitant. Is there anything comparable that won't cost my marriage?

Unless you're moving to a digital board (a Presonus 16:2 is still a great option, but probably out of your budget), a USED Mixwizard is a great option, and regularly sell in the $500 range. Also, used Mackie SR series will get the job done, although I don't much like the eq section with only one sweepable mid versus to on the A&H.
 
Unless you're moving to a digital board (a Presonus 16:2 is still a great option, but probably out of your budget), a USED Mixwizard is a great option, and regularly sell in the $500 range. Also, used Mackie SR series will get the job done, although I don't much like the eq section with only one sweepable mid versus to on the A&H.

Thanks for the input, I have a feeling that going cheap in the mixer department will be self defeating. So I'll keep saving to buy a nice A&H or a Presonus. In the meantime I can just rent when I need one.
 
Thanks for the input, I have a feeling that going cheap in the mixer department will be self defeating. So I'll keep saving to buy a nice A&H or a Presonus. In the meantime I can just rent when I need one.

Do consider the Behringer X32 console in your searches for a digital console (and get over the name, it's made by a whole new group of people). It sounds good, lots of great features, and has proven to be reliable (now watch for someone come along that's had issues and try to refute that statement. I know of a dozen on the area that have had NO issues and I'm about to buy one for myself). It's the best bang for the buck at this time.
 
I spoke to my loving wife and got the nod to get my mixer, I ended up getting the PerSonus 16.0.2, The learning curve is steep, but it sounds SO much better than my Old Yamaha. I'm not concerned about only 12 mic channels, if the drummer wants more then he can run a sub mixer into mine. :D
 
I spoke to my loving wife and got the nod to get my mixer, I ended up getting the PerSonus 16.0.2, The learning curve is steep, but it sounds SO much better than my Old Yamaha. I'm not concerned about only 12 mic channels, if the drummer wants more then he can run a sub mixer into mine. :D

I've got both the 16.0.2 and the 16.4.2. Great mixers IMO. You can probably watch some videos on you tube to help you learn.
 
For your first PA, keep it simple. As you have seen, there are lots of suggestions to go with powered cabs. I am not in that camp, although I concede they are very nice. I suggest keeping it simple. Buy used if you are on a budget. If you don't mind the weight, you can buy good used heavy power amps really cheap, as people are trading up for lighter weight versions. 1000 watts is not as much as you think it is for volume. 300 watts in an efficient cab is as loud or louder than 1000 watts in an inefficient cab. Look at SPL rating on cabs more than watts power handling. I still have and use my Peavey SP2G cabs that I bought 13 years ago. Very good cabs, and cheap used. The black widows are not what they used to be, but can be upgraded easily and cheaply if need be. In my opinion, the used ones made in the US in the 90s are better cabs.
When the time comes, a powered sub would be a good upgrade. The QSC Ksub is killer. They go for about $700 used. I am not a proponent of powered cabs, because they have specialized components that are very expensive if the cab is out of warranty. If the amp is separate and you have a problem with either one, the faulty part can be replaced easily and cheaply with a suitable substitute. As a sub is not absolutely a necessity for a small club PA, I would risk a powered sub. The quality of QSC is also comforting. My buddy, on the other hand, has a JBL powered 18sub that has a blown driver. It's a weird driver that costs about $300. That sub is now a coffee table.
For a mixer, if you can find one with a crossover/subwoofer output, that will be handy if you decide to add one in the future. I don't care for in ear monitors, but they do have advantages. Namely, feedback is really easy to control when there are no live monitors on stage. The downside is, if you let somebody sit in, they will hear little vocals if they are not willing to trade ear wax. I also find it can diminish one's ability to play dynamically, and will disconnect you from what is really going on, on stage. Your actual stage volume should be part of what the audience is hearing. the PA should be used to balance it out, and get the vocals out front. With IEMs, your stage volume could be all messed up, but will be perfect in your ears. One more issue, is the need for more auxiliary sends to allow for individual mixes for each IEM. They are neato, but impractical for me. A bit pricey too. Best of luck to you.
 
Do consider the Behringer X32 console in your searches for a digital console (and get over the name, it's made by a whole new group of people). It sounds good, lots of great features, and has proven to be reliable (now watch for someone come along that's had issues and try to refute that statement. I know of a dozen on the area that have had NO issues and I'm about to buy one for myself). It's the best bang for the buck at this time.

Looks like the OP is set, but for those reading this thread beyond this, the X32 is a GREAT option. Had one in the rig my band used all of last summer and I really enjoy what it can do (moreso the the Presonus, actually). Both are good options, just depends on user preference really.