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Busking scam: electric violin

I saw David Lee Roth on the Skyscraper tour I think -- bought tix mainly to see Billy Sheehan but he quit eaither early in the tour or just before it started so they replaced him with the drummer's brother.
Drummer was playing along to backing tracks and samples. New bass player was miming the whole time. Even Steve Vai was miming at least some of the time (he had a guitar with no strings on it FFS!).
 
Wow, I think I gave one of these folks money in upstate NY! I don’t regret it for a moment though. I was driving through a parking lot and saw a woman standing with the man performing who was nursing a baby. If they’re standing in a strip mall parking lot like that, they are desperate.

Even if he was faking playing over a backing track, the fact that he was performing while nursing a baby he deserves at least a couple of bucks.
 
It's a big world. You can't see one example and then rightly say that's what they all are.
That's why there are cons... Some aren't.


Choosing to help a desperate person even if you know they’re conning you, whether they know you are aware or not, is an OK thing to do.

Lots of folks out there are willing to suspend their indignation. Others aren’t capable. After all, it’s a big world.
 
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Maybe I haven't watched local TV news for a while, but I almost laughed myself out of my chair at the ominous tone of the report, for something that's actually pretty comical and harmless. They made it sound like some dangerous band of criminals is fanning out across Texas -- coming to a parking lot near you.

I think someone in the TV studio was having a bit of fun on a slow news night.
 
"Scam" definitely doesn't feel like the right word, because they probably really do need money.
I don't think the definition of "scam" factors in how badly the perpetrator needs the money any more than the definition of burglary does.

Having said that, "scam" does seem like too strong a word in this case. The performer is implicitly lying, but people who put money in the hat aren't really losing out, presumably they were entertained even if they didn't realise they weren't actually seeing and hearing what they thought they were seeing and hearing.

If there were a scam severity scale from 0 to 10 I would rate this as only a 1.
 
Choosing to help a desperate person even if you know they’re conning you, whether they know you are aware or not, is an OK thing to do.

Lots of folks out there are willing to suspend their indignation. Others aren’t capable. After all, it’s a big world.
I'm not contending your point. Life requires some discernment...
My point is about music and busking. I went to school in Boston for a spell and there were a lot of buskers there. They were generally earnest, good musicians.
Being a fake was frowned upon...
Give to the poor when you will.
 
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Been dealing with this at the local grocery store. There’s a huge homeless problem here, and there’s this couple that hangs out at the Safeway parking lot obnoxiously blaring an electric violin through a PA. Shmaltzy covers of sappy pop tunes on an electric violin, alternated with holding a sign with some sob story asking for money. Only thing is that anyone who’s ever played an instrument can tell this buster isn’t actually playing these songs by looking at him. I swear, if these people would put the money they spent on this gear into nice clothes, and time spent bumming on the corner into working a job, they wouldn’t be in the situation that they are in.
 
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I'm totally okay with it. Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship. It would be cruel as a society, to be okay with an aging millionaire celebrity playing air-guitar in a superbowl halftime show, but not okay with struggling amateurs at the local level playing air-violin for pocket change.

Given that lipsynching and air-guitar exist, and are standard tools of professional entertainers, I think it is elitist to say, these technologies should be forbidden for local amateurs. I think music-making should be democratic, and the tools should be available to anyone who wants to make a joyful noise. (Even beginners, posers, scrubs, losers, nerds, and geeks.)

Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.
Dude....these aren't even amateurs. They are total imposters. Watch the video in post #4.

My granddaughter busks in Australia where it is pretty tightly controlled and licenses are required for the various locations and times. She had to win a competition to get the ability to busk at a well-known location 2-days a week, 4 hours a day, for three months. She did very well there. Of course, she provides all her own music playing guitar while she sings. She is only 16 now but has had to put in a lot of work to be able to qualify to get licenses to busk in various areas throughout New South Wales.

She has talent and she's been practicing daily since she was about 10 to get to a level where she could actually make some money busking. She also plays piano to accompany herself on stage for some songs, while playing guitar when she's busking. She exhibits real talent, drive, and works hard to be able to perform. When she was 11 years old she sang for the Kids Australian version of The Voice, Australia. Made it to the blind auditions but didn't get a chair turn although she got a lot of encouragement and recommendations from the judges on how to get to the next level. She won a competition in 2019 and the reward was a week in New York to see a couple of Broadway shows and talk to the performers.

To refer to lip-syncing and air guitar as musicianship is ludicrous. Sure it's fun if everybody knows what it is but there is nothing musical about it. It's all phony. And lip-snycers and air guitarist are not local amateurs because they are not musicians at all. Obviously you don't remember what happened to Milli-Vanilli in December of 1989 when Charles Shaw revealed that he was one of the three vocalists who actually sang on the album and that Milli Vanilli didn't sing on any of it. Their records sales not only ceased, but they had to return their 1990 Grammy for Best New Artist Award and three other awards from the American Music Awards. They never did sing on any album and the fact that they defrauded everyone was a huge black eye for the music recording industry. NOBODY should play the Milli Vanilla game. It's straight-up fraud and it ruined their lives.

Also, making-music has nothing to do with democracy. There's no majority rules on making music. It's personal effort to excel at music, be it performance or writing, and those who put in the work and effort to reach a level of success with it deserve everything they get. There are no guarantees. Networking is a huge part of it. Once a musician reaches a certain level of competency in his or her instrument, how much better he she is doesn't necessarily mean much, if anything. Once you are at that level, who you know, and being in the right place at the right time have more to do with getting a big break than anything else.

When I was a member of the Los Angeles Musicians Union (AFM local 47) there were people who spent all day every day at the union hall hoping someone would come in and need their instrument for a recording or gig. And it did happen once in a while. If a musician didn't show up for a session, the producer would send someone over to the Union Hall to hire a guitarist, or a bass player, or a keyboardist, or a trumpet player, or a violinist, etc. Hope you weren't in the restroom at the time. Problem was you literally needed to be there all day every day and you can't earn any money sitting in a union hall. You see how this is going? I've never seen so many starving musicians who had tremendous talent playing dives for almost nothing as I did during the 4 years I lived in LA. The best drummer I have ever seen, bar none, was playing a dive bar in Torrance, CA (south of LAX) for $25 a night.
 
I don't think it's a scam, it's performing, if people enjoy, ok, they will tip, it's up to you do you like it or not .

If I don't like performing the music of some busk musicians, I will not tip, but au contraire, I allways tip young musicians who do the effort of playing in the street even they are not great on their instrument .
 
I'm totally okay with it. Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship. It would be cruel as a society, to be okay with an aging millionaire celebrity playing air-guitar in a superbowl halftime show, but not okay with struggling amateurs at the local level playing air-violin for pocket change.

Given that lipsynching and air-guitar exist, and are standard tools of professional entertainers, I think it is elitist to say, these technologies should be forbidden for local amateurs. I think music-making should be democratic, and the tools should be available to anyone who wants to make a joyful noise. (Even beginners, posers, scrubs, losers, nerds, and geeks.)

Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.
lipsynchers and air guitarists DON'T BUSK. THAT is the issue here.

Not to mention - some of us remember that MV were caught red handed and their career was over as soon as it was found out. It wasn't ok with anybody, actually.

Speaking as a former professional classical violinist WHO USED TO BUSK FOR MONEY, what those people are doing is pathetic, shameful, and exploitative. It's also laughingly embarrassing to watch.

You want to see a violinist put on a show and play great? THERE ARE TONS OF US OUT THERE DOING THIS, PLAYING REAL VIOLINS, HAVING THE 5 to 6 digits of violin lessons get some use in this world.
 
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