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Busking scam: electric violin

Didn't know this was a thing until I saw this thread. Spotted two electric violinist set up in shopping center parking lots during the pandemic and thought that was unusual, but these are unusual times. I was looking so close to see how they were powering their amp that I didn't notice if they were miming on violin. Haven't seen them since. Maybe they couldn't compete with the cheap 'n easy "God Bless" cardboard sign folks that already staked out all the best intersections.
 
I have not run across any fake street musicians. My daily life does not have me running across many street performers in general. Me and a buddy use to busk for beer money. We were upfront about it "playing for drinking money" was on our sign in some form or another.

One time I did see a bar band that just the keyboardist and drummer were the only ones actually playing. It was like a 5 piece or larger stage show. It did not take long for my eyes and ears to figure out none of the guitars or bass were actually playing.
 
There used to be a local celebrity in my town...this old dude who people thought to be a blues legend from down south. He carried around a battered guitar and couldn't play a lick. He was a total fraud, musically speaking, but locals loved him anyway because he was friendly and cordial and always thankful for every penny in his bucket. If you relied on outward appearances, you would think he was probably drunk or a drug addict – when in fact he was sober. He was also mentally ill. He didn't need the money – he lived off some sort of pension or assistance. Busking, or whatever you want to call it, is what gave his life meaning and got him through the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakey_Jake

I feel like there should be a moral to this story, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Sure, there are scam artists in every walk of life who take advantage of people's generosity. There are also a lot of people who are desperate for whatever reason. Do some "deserve" help more than others? Maybe, but who am I to judge?
I thinks he’s from Saginaw originally. The city might have run him out of town.
One of his songs, “let it all hang out…don’t let it get cold”.
 
I'm totally okay with it. Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship. It would be cruel as a society, to be okay with an aging millionaire celebrity playing air-guitar in a superbowl halftime show, but not okay with struggling amateurs at the local level playing air-violin for pocket change.

Given that lipsynching and air-guitar exist, and are standard tools of professional entertainers, I think it is elitist to say, these technologies should be forbidden for local amateurs. I think music-making should be democratic, and the tools should be available to anyone who wants to make a joyful noise. (Even beginners, posers, scrubs, losers, nerds, and geeks.)

Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.
Surely there is some difference to sync-ing to a track of music you yourself played and recorded, as opposed to just doing it to a recording of someone else?

The very difference between the Chili Peppers and Milli Vanilli.
 
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The greatest street performer I ever saw was a guy in San Francisco who would sit on a milk crate and "hide" behind several large leafy branches. He would sit still, and most passers-by would not even notice the "bush." Every minute or two the guy would shake the branches, or part them and stick his face out and say "boo!" to some unsuspecting pedestrian. It was pee-your-pants funny to see people jump out of their skins, and after a while a crowd would gather at a distance and watch others walk by and get startled. Art? Nah. A talent? Arguable. But completely hilarious and entertaining.

Nobody forces you to throw money in a busker's basket. If someone wants to fake it, so what? Shame on him, and shame on the suckers who can't tell the difference between "live or Memorex."
 
We have a guy that fakes it on accordion around here. I figure he needs some help so I give him money.

Also, I’ve played the violin since I was knee high to a grasshopper. We have a legit violinist busker around here with the same setup. He gets more money.

maybe faking the accordion pays better than actually playing it, kind of like harmonica or banjo.
 
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I've been following a Facebook discussion about a video a friend on there posted of a man playing electric violin through a speaker with a backing track. There was some talk in the comments of the video about if the person was really playing the violin or just faking playing along with the song.

At first I thought it was legit because that seems like a lot of effort and investment to run a scam. You have to buy an electric violin, powered speaker, power source, and find some songs to mime playing along with. But watching the video closer I could tell the player was not legit, such as the movements being out of sync with the sounds.

My wife and I had a discussion about it for a while. I said not enough people play violin to get them called out as being fake. (It would be a lot harder to run a scam like that with a guitar.) We both agreed it is deceptive as they are pretending to play music, written and preformed by someone else, to get tips from people in a parking lot.

While we were talking about it I looked up the scam and apparently it has been a problem in Texas with some reporting of it in FLA. The Facebook video was shot in the suburbs of NOLA.

I was curious if anyone has seen this in their area?
I have seen the electric violin in San Antonio. I wasn't close enough to hear the music. Then again I saw a guy playing bongos to a backing track in New Orleans who was definitely faking.
 
Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship.

Um…‘fraid not.

At some levels of showmanship maybe pretending and posturing are the norm. But there’s absolutely no musicianship involved in either lip synching or air guitar.

Even a mediocre karaoke singer displays more musicianship than either of those.
 
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Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.

I don’t recall hearing anyone anywhere who ever said that. So I’m going to have call that out for the straw man argument it is. And also for introducing the red herring “elitist” when it has nothing to do with anything. ;)
 
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The way I look at it, the person is out there, and making entertaining (hopefully) sounds. I think it is better than the guy with the cardboard sign doing nothing. Yeah it is deceptive, but there's lots of deception out there.

...but I don't give either one money. ;):thumbsdown:
 
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Yeah, I ran into one here in upstate NY. I played violin professionally for years and was going to pass him a good wad. As I got closer I saw what was going on. I just shook my head and made sure he saw me pocket the cash before walking away.

Shameful. It takes a lot of work to get your skill level high enough to perform, and even more work to be taken seriously as an artist. Making a living doing gigs and studio work takes so much discipline, running to get the work and compete with other hungry players. It’s a mockery.
 
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I saw this outside of a bank near my house about two months ago. At first I thought that the guy was very talented and thought to walk over and slide him a few bucks...that's when it caught my eye...the cat was not playing...while the bow was moving, his fingers were not.

I can appreciate the Busker...the person sharing his or her talent with those walking by...giving folks a bit of joy even if only for a minute or two. However, the "fake" Busker I have no patience for. Now, technically the term "busker" is a person who performs music or other entertainment in the street or another public place for monetary donations. Ok...the person playing the fake violin music could still be classified as a performer, but here's the thing...we can tell when someone is acting out a scene from a play, movie, whatever...if the violinist came out and clearly said that they are "performing" violin versus "playing" violin, I'm down. It's the lie that doesn't sit well with me.