Double Bass Bye Bye Wizzy 10

[Adrian Cho]

This is a fix that you can do, however. We can sell you the acoustical grade fiberglass and instructions. I need to price that out (again, tomorrow, when production is open). Please note however, working with acoustical grade fiberglass is much like working with household fiberglass. It can make you quite itchy and cause skin irritation. Basically one needs to remove the grill, remove the driver and replace the old dampening material with the new. I would try it on my old ones, but I like the midrange of them - it really helps me cut as the volume gets louder.

Please let us know when you've priced the DIY option out. I am very interested in this and sending my cab across the Canadian border and back again is a pain.

Thanks.

 

[Mike Dimin]

wanted to update you on the Wizzy 10 update kit. We are taking some time to listen to some different mods to the baffle to see if we can make something that maximizes the sound and also is a very easy DIY install. We are trying out a few different baffles of different density. Hope to have this done in the next week or two

Mike

 

[peterpalmieri]

So does this mean some people around here will actually acknowledge the fact that the Wizzy ten is a little too mid focused?

OK I am just busting chops, but seriously I owned a wizzy and just couldn't take it, if this isn't just a subtle change but rather one that really removes the honk I will consider jumping back in for another try...

 

[Adrian Cho]

We are trying out a few different baffles of different density. Hope to have this done in the next week or two

Mike

Just wondering what's happening with this.

 

[Adrian Cho]

Any news on this?

 

[Ike Harris]

I didn't see an answer to the question: What is considered an "older" version. Mine is about a year old and still preferring the M Line in most situations, and would like to look into the mod.

Ike

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

I didn't see an answer to the question: What is considered an "older" version. Mine is about a year old and still preferring the M Line in most situations, and would like to look into the mod.

Me too. I have two of them, and would love to mod one for comparison's sake.

 

[Mike Arnopol]

As many here know, I play EA gear. I eq the mids on any cab I use. The CXL 12 cab that I use has a more pronounced mid than the Wizzy to my ears. It's the cab I use most. I eq the mids and lows to where I like them and life is good. I get a VERY dark sound. I'm more concerned with the correct punch, thump, and envelope of the sound. This does not necessarily mean frequency response. There are many cabs I've played through that are more flat in response that I can't get the right envelope and development of the note. I design and build cabs, but use the EA stuff because while my stuff sounds great it weighs at least twice as much. One thing that Mike and John at EA are correct about (in my opinion) is that the type and quantity of the batting in the cab functions like a midrange control. It's just like using a tone control. I've experimented extensively with different types and thicknesses of the sound insulation material. One word of caution however---while changing the midrange frequency response it can also affect other areas sonically and response-wise. My favorite cabs that I've built require pretty much eq, but the response is what I like. I've built cabinets that required less eq but didn't like the feel. I was at Lakland trying basses. I brought my Micro and M-line. They have every cab mentioned here in their sound room. We compared the M-line with the other cabs. Dan at Lakland immediately ordered one for his booth at NAMM.

 

[Ben Rolston]

I didn't see an answer to the question: What is considered an "older" version. Mine is about a year old and still preferring the M Line in most situations, and would like to look into the mod.

Ike

+1

 

[Adrian Cho]

Mike Dimin (or anyone from EA), what is the status of the DIY kit for upgrading the baffling in the older model Wizzy 10s? Mike, you had originally indicated some progress on this about 2.5 months ago.

 

[bonaventura]

OK, I got a few takers so I figured I would post it here. I hope this does not violate the CUP. I will try to answer all the questions that I have received.

The newer Wizzy 10's use a different internal damping material than the original. The damping material of a Transmission Line design makes a big difference in the response of the cab. Older Wizzy 10's can be upgraded to the new damping material that is already in use in the newer cabs. I will see if I can find out, tomorrow when production is open, the serial number break point for the older vs. the newer Wizzy 10's....

Mike

Hmm, I bought my Wizzy 10 4 months ago, new from Golihur, and it is incredibly mid biased... what is "new" versus "old" in the Wizzy 10 world?

Dear Mike or anyone else who knows the answer. As far as I can tell, the question asked by Jweiss has not been responded to.

I bought my Wizzy 10 from Bob Gollihur in June 2008. How am I supposed to know if it's an "old" or a "new" one? Can anyone give a cut-off date or a serial number that would help determine whether it has the new T-line material or not?

Bill

 

[Bob Gollihur]

Dear Mike or anyone else who knows the answer. As far as I can tell, the question asked by Jweiss has not been responded to.

I bought my Wizzy 10 from Bob Gollihur in June 2008. How am I supposed to know if it's an "old" or a "new" one? Can anyone give a cut-off date or a serial number that would help determine whether it has the new T-line material or not?

Bill

They put the new material in the dozen cabs we had here around four weeks ago, so only those sold by us in late May 2009 on have the replacement material in them.

 

[bonaventura]

Hey Bob

Thanks for jumping in.

Actually, I love the mid-rangey "old" Wizzy 10 on my darker sounding bass. It fits very well and the sound is perfect.

With my brighter sounding gut bass, I prefer the Wizzy 12 or an AI Coda EX II.

I guess one has to pick the cab to go with the set up.

Please tell us if you can what one can expect from the new and still to come AI Ten2Ex in terms of mid-ranginess? Is it closer to the Wizzy 10 or to the Coda Ex?

 

[Ike Harris]

So Bob, has this new material made for a successful modification in your opinion? And if so, how would one go about getting the kit?

thanks, Ike

 

[Roger Davis]

Hey Bob

Thanks for jumping in.

Actually, I love the mid-rangey "old" Wizzy 10 on my darker sounding bass. It fits very well and the sound is perfect.

With my brighter sounding gut bass, I prefer the Wizzy 12 or an AI Coda EX II.

I guess one has to pick the cab to go with the set up.

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And this is it, isn't it. I have a 'dark bass', a flatback from US that is very difficult to amp with a 12" speaker but which is unbeatable with my 10" Wizzy. Trouble is, when you wind the volume up for a big gig it starts to choke (unsurprisingly). I'm going to try two 10" Wizzies together. Anyone experience? I've found in the past that sometimes two speakers lose the tight projection and focus of a single speaker.

 

[tornadobass]

Trouble is, when you wind the volume up for a big gig it starts to choke (unsurprisingly). I'm going to try two 10" Wizzies together. Anyone experience? I've found in the past that sometimes two speakers lose the tight projection and focus of a single speaker.

This is a case where using the Wizzy 10 with the Wizzy 12 works well. The 10 keeps the clarity while the 12 adds more bottom and volume.

 

[Roger Davis]

This is a case where using the Wizzy 10 with the Wizzy 12 works well. The 10 keeps the clarity while the 12 adds more bottom and volume.

Thanks Tornado, but if I put the 12" in, in any combination with this bass it still gets very bottomy. I have a brighter bass and 10"plus 12" sounds just amazing. I'm going to try the two tens and see what I get.

 

[jgbass]

How are two Wizzie 10's going to work impedence wise?

 

[tombowlus]

How are two Wizzie 10's going to work impedence wise?

Two 4-ohm Wizzy 10's would present a 2-ohm load (with conventional cables). Two 8-ohm Wizzy's would present a 4-ohm load (with conventional cables). Note: you could use a custom cable running the cabs in series and resulting in an 8-ohm or 16-ohm load, respectively.

Tom.

 

[flatback]

Hey Bob

Thanks for jumping in.

Actually, I love the mid-rangey "old" Wizzy 10 on my darker sounding bass. It fits very well and the sound is perfect.

With my brighter sounding gut bass, I prefer the Wizzy 12 or an AI Coda EX II.

I guess one has to pick the cab to go with the set up.

QUOTE]

And this is it, isn't it. I have a 'dark bass', a flatback from US that is very difficult to amp with a 12" speaker but which is unbeatable with my 10" Wizzy. Trouble is, when you wind the volume up for a big gig it starts to choke (unsurprisingly). I'm going to try two 10" Wizzies together. Anyone experience? I've found in the past that sometimes two speakers lose the tight projection and focus of a single speaker.

yea I have 2 w10's and I got them to have one as a wedge monitor kind of thing.....I have stacked them and split them and in the end I only use one. 2 get boomy with acoustic bass and generally much more difficult to control...a lot more bass but kind of flabby. Works best to me as a wedge spread out a bit but I never play on stages big enough....and if they are there is a PA and the one W10 is fine....I was thinking about getting an Mline 12 and selling the 2nd W10....Also thinking about that AI 210 but have not heard anything yet...I love one W10 with the Avalon u5 and a focus...played last night with just the focus and it was WAY too thin and mid y even with the mids rolled almost off....The U5 plugs into ANYTHING and sounds great...(on my bass)