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CAB SET UPS

#22
I used to use a 410 with a 212 cab.Fed with 600 watts.That combo kicked butt.Greasey, slick, punchy as hell.The best period, but too big a stack...I did try a 3 way 15 Avatar cab with their 210 ceramic cab.Sounded like crud.Imbalance.Mix a 12 with 10s or a 15, but not 10s with a 15.my 2c.
 
#23
LENNYX said:
Yes it's also up to the end user and understanding how to use the different types of gear together,
and i must admit my Son of bertha cab sounds great and i wouldn't mind another of the same,
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I've used a son of bertha for years with a SWR goliath JR (2x10) on top with great success , I get quite a lot of compliments on the tone and never heard a bad comment about mixed drivers ....until I got here.

iualum said:
You've really not done any research here at all on 410/115 combinations, have you :laugh: ? I mean zero.
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see rule #1........................................
 
#24
M.J.F. said:
I used to use a 410 with a 212 cab.Fed with 600 watts.That combo kicked butt.Greasey, slick, punchy as hell.The best period, but too big a stack...I did try a 3 way 15 Avatar cab with their 210 ceramic cab.Sounded like crud.Imbalance.Mix a 12 with 10s or a 15, but not 10s with a 15.my 2c.
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I think your problem was that you mixed a full range, PA style cab with a traditional bass cab.
 
#26
Avatar TB153 cab is no P A cab, its a dedicated bass cab.with its tweeter off, just using the 210s, horn tweeter aside, it just didnt gell.Ive tried other 15 and 10 cabs, I dont care for that match.Hey, thats just me.another mix that works great is a 210 and a 410.
 
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I'll tell you this though: down through the E string, the 4X10 was intoxicating. Possibly the best, most addictive bass sound I've ever heard/felt. Pure muscle.

As soon as I descended through the low D, that faded away, and the cabinet displayed it's limits.

I A/B'd the cabs using a Boss switch, so the change between the 2 was instant. The 15 was a touch 'woo pier' and a db and a half quieter, so I compensated for that by matching the SPL.
 
#29
immyM, post: 17007094, member: 55676"]It is, but it's based very much on PA cab technology and sounds closer to a PA cab than a bass cab. Which is not a slam.
JimmyM said:
It is, but it's based very much on PA cab technology and sounds closer to a PA cab than a bass cab. Which is not a slam.
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Hey west
JimmyM said:
It is, but it's based very much on PA cab technology and sounds closer to a PA cab than a bass cab. Which is not a slam.
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I know i better get the heck out here."check please!"
 
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M.J.F. said:
Avatar TB153 cab is no P A cab, its a dedicated bass cab.with its tweeter off, just using the 210s, horn tweeter aside, it just didnt gell.Ive tried other 15 and 10 cabs, I dont care for that match.Hey, thats just me.another mix that works great is a 210 and a 410.
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I never said it is a PA cab. I said it a PA style cab. Even with the tweeter off, it still has a subwoofer driver and a high-output midrange.

I saw that you left the thread, didn't mean to castigate, just wanted to explain why it didn't work for you and why it won't likely work for the OP.
 
#33
M.J.F. said:
I know i better get the heck out here."check please!"
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Whoa! Get back here and don't take it so hard! It's not a slam to say it sounds like a PA cab or is based on PA technology. Lots of bass players have been using PA technology since the early 70's because they dig the sound and it has some technological points that they see as an advantage. It's not an insult to say that about a bass cab. The TB153 is definitely designed for bass, as the TB stands for Talkbass (it's Avatar's take on the fEarful cab, actually). But the only major difference between it and a PA cab is that PA's these days separate the subs from the mid driver and tweeter so the mid/tweeter cabs are smaller and easier to put on poles or hang from trusses.
 
#34
="JimmyM, post: 17007397, member: 55676"]Whoa! Get back here and don't take it so hard! It's not a slam to say it sounds like a PA cab or is based on PA technology. Lots of bass players have been using PA technology since the early 70's because they dig the sound and it has some technological points that they see as an advantage. It's not an insult to say that about a bass cab. The TB153 is definitely designed for bass, as the TB stands for Talkbass (it's Avatar's take on the fEarful cab, actually). But the only major difference between it and a PA cab is that PA's these days separate the subs from the mid driver and tweeter so the mid/tweeter cabs are smaller and easier to put on poles or hang from trusses.
Hey,Jimmy,t-t--ta-ta-take it eeezy.just went away awhile ,while the wife made up some oatmeal-banana-coconut baked cookies.I had to force myself into about 7 of them.And to watch the end of the Boston-Van hockey game.No offence taken,but i can say again-whatever single 15 and 210 cab as a pair ,just sounds off to me.I now own a Eden XLT 410-mint, and pulled the drivers to save them and put in BP 102s. different eq now( 3 days of trial) killer bottom-less mids-complete different sound,but very useable-oops,sorry-de railed the thread.
 
#35
I have a 4x10 on top of a 15 setup & I love it! I used to use all 10's & never like the 15 until I started to play what I do now. But it's all about finding what works for you, everyone's different. You also might like one setup better with one brand & another better with a different brand.
 
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LENNYX said:
My line of thought was since i have the SWR 1X15", I saw on Ebay a Golliath 4x10" so was thinking it would be more of a full range system when used with the 1x15", so yes i have heard that you can get a better bass response with the 10's but what about handling the bottom end of a five string as in damage to the drivers.
PS. the cab on ebay is overpriced and two far for me to justify going to collect it.
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Dude I run this rig and it slaughters as long as you don't go above the SOB's power rating. I use am swr bass 350 (red face) so its not a problem but past 350 watts that 115 is gonna fart.
Edit: To be a little more technical than slaughter and fart, my Goliath 3 (and goliath Jr. 3) naturally recreate your bass's tone, lots of that glistening high end and deep bottom with no mid skimping just like swr is known for. The SOB is punchy and tight and definitely a lot more low mid forward than the G3. If you run both tweeters around noon your slap and pop attack will scalpel their way through the mix with extreme prejudice but even with them off these cabs bring the clarity. Soumdguys all over have yanked my di and replaced it with a mic cause the cabs sound so good. But like I said, watch your power the 115 has half the power handling of the 410 but with this rig my volume knob doesn't get past noon
 
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#40
Lenny, there is no blanket answer to the mixed speaker size question. Some cabs sound good together and some don't. Some excellent manufacturers will design mixed size configs, like Bergantino and Barefaced. SWR comes from an era when different cabs were regularly put together. Most of those configs sounded pretty good.

These days the better modern cab designs usually transcend the old "rules" of big speakers for lows and small speakers for highs.

IMO it's time to move away from old 15's and look at modern cabs. I'd suggest you get on to Basschat and see who is playing what, and check out the classifieds in your area.

They currently have a Bergantino HS410, in Liverpool, for £450, which will take on and beat most 2 cab solutions.
 
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