CAB SET UPS

[friendlybass]

If you have to mix cabs this combination probably works better than most because their output levels are more closely matched than a 410 and 115. That's not always the case but generally it is.

You should try my ampeg 1528 my man, a 15, 2x8s, and a tweeter in one weird box, only ampeg cab I ever fell in love with and definitely my best stage monitor

 

[cfsporn]

If you have the money for one, Barefaced cabs are very well reviewed here.

 

[spectorfreak]

What's the best 410-115 pair for metal?

Speaking of Hartke guys, have a look at Billy Sheehan's rig, stereo output from the bass, his 115s on top for the highs and his lows through the 410s on the bottom, Separate amps, LH1000 for the lows, HA5500 for his highs, still using his old Pierce preamps though, suspect most of his sound comes from that and the Hartke stuff is just a big stage monitor so he can hear himself over Paul Gilbert's sonic assault.

 

[will33]

If you do the math, a 410 has approximately the same area (in sq inches) of speaker as four 10" speakers

Really?

 

[el murdoque]

I've mixed 1x15 and 4x10.
1x12 and 1x15.
2x10 and 1x15
2x12 and 1x15
2x12 and 4x10
4x10, 2x12 and 2x1x15
....that is from the top of my head, the list is longer.
I created tonal dreams and ear wrecking nightmares.
I played mixes that, by reason alone should not be, but they sounded good.
I played mixes that, by reason alone should have done great, but did not.

In short, i mixed lots of cabs and got lots of results, some predictable, some not.

But i've never played a pair of matched cabs that did not do as predicted - sounding like one of them alone, only louder, fuller and with more booty.

 

[samson3382]

IMO it's time to move away from old 15's and look at modern cabs.

There are some VERY good modern 15" loaded cabs and drivers out there.

 

[Worldeeeter]

I suggest you open your mind to different sizes and try a 4 x 12" or 2 2 x 12" cabs. I played 15s for a long time, and while I agree that 410s tend to sound better than 15s, I am all about the 12s these days.
It all differs as you look at various brands, but many cab manufacturers out there have amazing 12" drivers. Mesa and Bergantino are my favorites, but TC Electronics has great ones, too. I'm sure there are bunches more as well.

 

[pb9717]

I've been using a single 12" avatar with an Ampeg 4x8 very successfully because I use a BiAmp head. Because of that I can dictate the frequency split, and the individual volume of each cab. I can set the head to bridged ( Mono) output or split ( BI amp) and the difference is striking. Since I've gone Biamp, I have a small rig that's incredibly efficient , and is very portable and LOUD when I need it be. IMHO. Any single cab alone has shortcomings, but 2 moderate cabs together (i.e your 1x15 + some form of faster motor speaker i.e...10 by?",8 by?",5x?" etc.., Biamp'd, you'll be very pleased. I've owned, Aguilar 2x12's SVT's, multiple brands of 4x8, and 5x6 Phil Jones cabs. 1x15's, 2x10's even 1x10 eden cabs ...you name it. You can get far better sound than you may be aware by splitting the signal and BiAmping. thoughts?

 

[LENNYX]

Hi pb9717
About Bi amping i've been having a look at GK and Hatrke specs,and seems like there are two methods of BI amping 1) GK (and other manufacturers i presume) are building amps with a stage to power the speakers and a lot lesser stage to power the horn and the matching leads to suit,
and 2) The other way is to have the dual power amp stages that can be bridged but this seems only available on the highest power rating amps (as in theGK2001 RB head that flea uses)
i don;t know if each amp can be individually adjusted for volume to suit the individual cabs they are powering
Just trying to do a bit of research as there seems to be a big demise in music shops so the chance of trying gear out is diminishing.
As mentioned before i used to do the bi amping with the Peavey automix MK3 the last bi amp setup i used was with a 1x18 and a 2x10 and it sounded great so yes splitting the signal seems the way to go and also using two amps to power different driver sized cabs.

 

[Big Brother]

A 410 has the same area as a 4X10? Who wouldda thunk?

I only did the math in inches though, don't hold me to that

 

[LENNYX]

If you're talking area's of speaker diameters i reckon it's more like this
The area of a circle is the diameter squared X 0.7854 (Pi or 3.142 divided by 4)
so for a 15" speaker we have 15 x 15 =225x 0.7855 = 176.74 square inches
and for a 10" speaker 10x10 x 0.7855 =78.55 and as there are four (78.55x4)
Area of 4x10" speakers = 314.2 square inches

Areas of speakers have little to do with speaker cabinet design it's all about building and tuning a cab to the speaker's parameters / specifications

 

[Gospel Bass Player]

I have a 4x10 on top of a 15 setup & I love it! I used to use all 10's & never like the 15 until I started to play what I do now. But it's all about finding what works for you, everyone's different. You also might like one setup better with one brand & another better with a different brand.

No doubt ! I like the 4 x 10 and 1 x 15 combination. Since I have a GK 1001 RB 2 x 10 combo, I do switch it up at times. However, for a larger venue my 4 x 10 and 1 x 15 can't be beat !

 

[LENNYX]

Hi Gospel player /everyone i must confess i love GK amps i have the 1x12 combo i use when i go on a jazz summer school mostly on double bass' :i use it on a PA speaker cab stand so i can hear it and is at the right volume.
I also got my GK400RB through a SON OF BERTHA and gave that a try.