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Cargo Planes and you

twinjet

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Previous Eds.: (You know it's bad when you can form a compendium!!)
I: Jet engines and you
II: General Aviation and you

It is with great relief that I am able to write this for you, TalkBass. Today's installment of the "Aviation and you" series comes after a scare I had up close and personal with a C-130 this morning. The Herc.
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*Shown for size reference. Not this exact plane/location/day, but the model/configuration is the same.

My co-worker is driving the company truck, an F-250, and I'm in the passenger seat. We are trying to get to our hangar, which is near one of the runways. It is late into March, yet Winter will not be defeated. Snow has assaulted our city and airport, requiring airfield maintenance crews to pile up snow in certain spots.

Well, a lot of these piles are in extremely inconvenient spaces. Case in point:
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The C-130, above left, was taxiing on the non-movement area. This area is uncontrolled by the tower, so no clearances or call-ins are required while running engines or moving around here. Conversely, vehicles are also permitted to travel as long as they do not attempt to access runways (boundary marked by ||: ).

As we are driving up on the road, we stop as required to check for oncoming traffic. Unfortunately for us, the gigantic snow pile obstructs any meaningful view of traffic. We listen and hear nothing. Five seconds later, we are now turning the corner and the C-130 is now turning to exit via taxiway Echo [E] instead of the usual taxiway Foxtrot [F]. This could mean big doo-doo.

I exclaim to my coworker, "you need to back up, dude". He asks, "wing tips don't extend past the guide lights, do they?". "Sometimes", I reply.

No movement on our half and the C-130 is rapidly approaching us.

"BACK UP, DUDE".
"Uhh, yeah. Good idea".

The truck speeds backwards about 20 feet and the co-pilot side of the wing tip passes over our truck. There is about 10 feet of clearance between the top of our truck and the bottom of the wing, but that isn't my biggest concern.

For anyone familiar with the Herc, intimately or not, you know it's a huge ass plane. That means huge ass engines. The props came our way and for whatever reason, my coworker had ceased backing up, thinking we were in the safe zone. We weren't. Sitting on the passenger side, I was approximately 15 feet away from HAPD, or as I will call it: HUGE ASS PROP DEATH.

Now, 15 feet might seem like plenty of distance. But if you refer to the first image in this post, you'll notice a small green dot near the front of the plane. That's a worker in high visibility clothing. Kind of small, no? That means huge ass props.

We escaped with our lives. Nothing was damaged, no injuries. I might have a few HAPD nightmares for a while, which could kill me in my sleep, but for all intents and purposes, I made it out today.

Lesson here? If a huge ass plane is coming your way, DO NOT ASSUME you'll be safe. JUST GET OUT THE DAMN WAY.

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Glad you are safe Twin Jet. Like you say, situational awareness on the ramp-tarmac can mean life or death.
Last year this Osprey landed on the ramp at my home airport. I took this cell phone photo from my car as I passed it. Talk about scary propellers/rotor blades. Getting hit would be like falling into a giant Garbage disposal.

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Ouch, that'd hurt.

I almost made this same write-up because I was in a similar situation on the same road, but I was closer to the hangar. Our company aircraft was coming toward me and, being a 737, the wing tips extended over the guide lights. I was able to back off into another ramp space, so there wasn't even a close call to write about, but that experience made me even more keen to stuff like this. Phew!

Add: @Stewie26 , here is what the above situation looked like. Kind of prepped me for this morning. :smug:
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Too close a call for comfort indeed. We've had Hercs in Dublin airport a few times...impressively scary beasts for sure!

Nice to find other airport workers on here too!
Sounds like we've similar jobs - due to back injury I'm happily not allowed load bags anymore so most of my days are spent on pushback/towing duties.

I am curious about wingtips extending over the boundary lines though. Seems like an accident absolutely waiting to happen.
 
I get heebie-jeebies every time I fly one of Air Canada's DASH-8's and get the front bulkhead window seat ... looking out at the spinning prop just a few yards away from my head. I've been into some regional airports with a C-172 or PA-28 and mixed it up with the big boys. Quite intimidating! And then, there's Harrison Ford, who landed on a taxiway and asked the controller "Is that 737 supposed to be there?". Yikes!
 
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And then, there's Harrison Ford, who landed on a taxiway and asked the controller "Is that 737 supposed to be there?". Yikes!
I have landed at John Wayne Airport well over a 100 times and I still can't figure out how Harrison Ford got lined up with Taxi Way "C", (Charlie) on his final approach. He was cleared to land on runway 20L which is 75 feet wide . Taxiway C, or refereed to as "Charlie" by ATC, is only 40 feet or so wide which is easy to see the difference from the air when you are on final approach. Also, the paint striping of a taxiway is quite different than a true runway. Beats me.
Taxiway "C" is highlighted in yellow below and runs parallel to runway 20L, (left)
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Twin Jet. Just curious. What airport do you work at?
I work out of Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

So do you have to file some sort of near miss report on an incident like that?
Not required. But I do wonder if the Herc pilot did. He was watching us as they passed.

I still can't figure out how Harrison Ford got lined up with Taxi Way "C", (Charlie) on his final approach.
Crikey. I don't see how that wasn't apparent to him either.
By the way, the main lesson I'd be taking from that incident is not to let idiots drive me around.
The guy is generally much smarter than I. It was a judgement error on his part... But I agree. ;)
 
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