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Carol Kaye and why we need help protecting our stuff....

Just popping in to give this another bump.

Tom & Roy, have done an excellent job with their post in this thread, so I really can't ad anything.

OTOH....

Anyone friends with the "Extreme Home Makeover" guys or something similar? Seems to me that building Carol a nice little retirement home would be a ratings hit for that show(or any similar show), and a win-win for everyone.

Someone here has GOT to know somebody who can make it happen.

What about the likes of Sting, who has said he stole more from Carol than is decent? Or other celebrities who got their start from Carol's "tutors" or had her play on their "hits"....You guys can't at least do a fund raiser??
 
Oswald, I pity you. What I find immensely funny is your assertion that sampling is the only reason these old songs and lines are remembered. No, they are remembered because they were hot, cool, driving, funky and otherwise just bada$$ and are the most memorable parts of the songs.

I also laugh because there are tons of kids playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band and NONE of the songs on those are current. Why? Because its all noise that is incoherent, especially for those games. My step kids all know the Devil Went Down to Georgia, but neither I nor their mother ever played them. Its all because of Guitar Hero, and that is one reason Guitar Hero is popular. Because there are actual memorable, moving songs! I'm still waiting for the screamo, emo Guitar Hero or Rock Band pack. No, wait, that will never come....

Why was Kid Rocks Sweet Home Alabama soooooooo popular? Because he wroter, er, I mean borrowed, er, I mean stole, the best parts of two songs. "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Werewolves of London", both huge in their day, remain so not because of Kid Rock's song, but because they are still great songs. Mush the two of them together, and you get his hit.

Since most of us are still alive who grew up with all these great lines and songs your point that they are popular is off. If we were all dead, I might give you some points, but not right now.

And, the people who contributed and created that great music deserve to get their fair share and due. I'd be less vocal about it if the artists themselves actually gave credit to the originals, but sadly, in most cases, they do not...
 
I'm sorry, I don't see what singling out rap or hiphop or sampling has to do with the the sad fact that Carol Kaye lost her home.

If we want to do the right thing, how about paying her a percentage from our gig take when we perform a Carol Kaye bassline in front of an audience (ASCAP certainly doesn't enforce that-so it's up to us).
 
Anybody have any connections with Bass Player Live going on later this month? Carol could get some valuable face time there with younger players and make sure her name is still out there.

Her skype lessons are an incredible deal, $40 a lesson, everybody can learn something from Carol Kaye.

This saddens me to hear this, I hope we can help turn things around for her.
 
Why was Kid Rocks Sweet Home Alabama soooooooo popular? Because he wroter, er, I mean borrowed, er, I mean stole, the best parts of two songs. "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Werewolves of London", both huge in their day, remain so not because of Kid Rock's song, but because they are still great songs. Mush the two of them together, and you get his hit.

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I may be wrong, and I'm certainly not a huge fan of Kid Rock, but from what I have seen of him he seems to give the original artists their due. He is always paying tribute to the original country and southern rockers. I'm assuming he pays the royalties on those two songs for "his" hit, at least I hope he is. Also, whenever I have seen him on tv, he has a full band playing. he's not just sampling. So, for those reasons, I have respect for him. Until I find out different.

Mark
 
"What about the likes of Sting, who has said he stole more from Carol than is decent."

You really need to quote people accurately.

From Carol's site:

"Carol taught me more about the bass than is decent." - Sting

This thread and this reminds me of Joe Bonamassa on when he met Gary Moore:

"I saw him [Gary Moore] and thought, this might be my only chance, so I went up to him and said, 'Hi, I'm Joe Bonamassa, and I owe you a lot of royalties from the riffs I stole from you.' He shook my hand and said, 'No problem, I illegally... downloaded all of your albums!' "
 
get with the times, if it wasn't for sampling most people wouldn't care or even be aware of 99% of the tunes and basslines from the 60's/70's.

That's nice. It's also completely irrelevant. If you don't own something you do not have the right to use. Period. It doesn't matter in the least whether or not your use helps the owner or not. It's not your's to use. It's that simple.



This thread and this reminds me of Joe Bonamassa on when he met Gary Moore:

"I saw him [Gary Moore] and thought, this might be my only chance, so I went up to him and said, 'Hi, I'm Joe Bonamassa, and I owe you a lot of royalties from the riffs I stole from you.' He shook my hand and said, 'No problem, I illegally... downloaded all of your albums!' "

classic.
 
Oswald, I pity you. What I find immensely funny is your assertion that sampling is the only reason these old songs and lines are remembered. No, they are remembered because they were hot, cool, driving, funky and otherwise just bada$$ and are the most memorable parts of the songs.

I also laugh because there are tons of kids playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band and NONE of the songs on those are current. Why? Because its all noise that is incoherent, especially for those games. My step kids all know the Devil Went Down to Georgia, but neither I nor their mother ever played them. Its all because of Guitar Hero, and that is one reason Guitar Hero is popular. Because there are actual memorable, moving songs! I'm still waiting for the screamo, emo Guitar Hero or Rock Band pack. No, wait, that will never come....

Why was Kid Rocks Sweet Home Alabama soooooooo popular? Because he wroter, er, I mean borrowed, er, I mean stole, the best parts of two songs. "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Werewolves of London", both huge in their day, remain so not because of Kid Rock's song, but because they are still great songs. Mush the two of them together, and you get his hit.

Since most of us are still alive who grew up with all these great lines and songs your point that they are popular is off. If we were all dead, I might give you some points, but not right now.

And, the people who contributed and created that great music deserve to get their fair share and due. I'd be less vocal about it if the artists themselves actually gave credit to the originals, but sadly, in most cases, they do not...

ok, fair enough, i guess i came of as a ignorant a-hole with my post.
i listen to a lot of different music from a lot of different eras and i have great respect for all the legends and inovators of the past and i feel for carol kaye.
i just want to defend and explain what i meant with my previous post and then i back off in order to not derail this thread any further.
what i meant is that sampling has nothing to do with carol kaye losing her home, there is no way that people payed money for songs featuring her basslines because of the sweet bass playing, basslines in most cases dosen't make or break a song.

I think that sampling is a great way of recyceling old forgotten songs that most people dosen't know about and make it into something new, a whole new song, not a remix or someone singing new lyrics over the old recording.

what if the guy who came up with the pentatonic scale copyrighted it? would we owe him money?
or what if robert johnson copyrighted all the licks he ever played?
 
There's a better lesson to learn here. Plan your finances so that you DONT have a mortgage when you're in your 70s.

+1 This ^

I feel for Carol like everyone else. We're all in this boat.
I just got out of a conversation with my wife about the finances and what bills we could pay.
If anyone has any connections with those that make money from her efforts, that's where the help should come from.

Call the magazines and ask them to run an interview and woodshed with her. That should be worth a few Benjamins.
 

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