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Carol Kaye documentary

#22
willgroove2 said:
even better than that usher is touring with out a real bass player ,it's all left hand bass played by one of the keyboard player's or seqeunced (sp) but if you listen to his cd there are no real basslines
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I've been stuck listening to hip-hop, newer R&B, and rap, at work. I've been noticing that several of these "acts" have very limited or non-existant bass work on them too.
 
#24
One of the things to understand about Carole Kaye and many bassists (guitar and upright) of their time is this: They believe that a bass player is a side man/woman and part of the rhythm section...not a soloist. The bass player's and the drummer's job is to be the foundation upon which the music is built.

The days of the big bands are over and more's the pity. They were serious folks and they recorded all that stuff live in studio, but times have changed. Cream is a great example of that change. Cream consisted of three great musicians literally competing for center stage and all of a sudden the bass player was really out front.

I'm long past being a young man and I've enjoyed listening to bassists being in the background and being out front, but I'm pretty old-school; I consider myself to be a side man and I'm damn proud of it. 'Nuff said.
 
#25
what up jauqo!! +1 on the comment about outkast but they are not the norm for hip hop or r&b act's out there.i do a lot of bass work for remixers these day's and i often have to write brand new bassline's because the track dosen't have one originaly at all.some of that is because you have so many "one man band" producer's and productions (something i do myself also)thinking up basslines that flow and make a track breath is a art and many guy's don't do it well and just let the kick drum become the bass presence on a track
 
#26
willgroove2 said:
even better than that usher is touring with out a real bass player ,it's all left hand bass played by one of the keyboard player's or seqeunced (sp) but if you listen to his cd there are no real basslines
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From what I've heard/read-
...even Steppenwolf(on one of their '90s tours around the fairgrounds of the USA) exiled a live bassist in favour of the sequenced track. C'mon...that ain't Rock 'n' Roll!
;)
 
#27
r379 said:
One of the things to understand about Carole Kaye and many bassists (guitar and upright) of their time is this: They believe that a bass player is a side man/woman and part of the rhythm section...not a soloist. The bass player's and the drummer's job is to be the foundation upon which the music is built.
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I don't disagree...but a few of those '60s/'70s Pop records contained some very 'busy' basslines. I will surf through the Oldies station enroute to work each morning; these guys & gal are part of the rhythm section & are unafraid to play with some emotion with creativity. Example: I just heard Joe Tex' "I Gotcha". The line is pretty repetitive but almost 'soloistic'(would be a nice 1-bar solo). ;)

On a tangent-
..."Out In The Country" was another tune I heard this a.m.
3 Dog Night's rhythm section(4 guys) are some pretty tasteful cats. Very nice ensemble playing. Damn.
 
#28
DigMe said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they just didn't have "the right look" or something.

brad cook
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I heard a story about this local guy that auditioned for Paula Abdul's road band...this is the kinda guy that oughta be on the cover of any bass mag out there, too.
He's doing OK for himself.
 
#29
Jim; I don't disagree about some of the "busy" bass lines you mentioned, but there is a huge difference between that and bass as a solo instrument. One is my favorite bassists is/was Rod Ellicott of Cold Blood from the 60's/70's. Cold Blood was an East Bay band with a stunning vocalist and a horn section but there was Rod playing very up-front bass...but he was still laying down the foundation. He wasn't a soloist.
 
#31
Ain't Rod (Cold Blood) something? Definitely one of my favorite bassists. And Lydia Pense? A voice Janis Joplin could only dream about. Cold Blood is up and running out in the Bay Area. Lydia put the band back together (She's the only original member.) and they're gigging. As I understand it, a new CD later this year. Got to www.coldblood.com.
 
#35
jondiener said:
Carol has definitely made a huge contribution to the music world. But perhaps not quite as big as she remembers it:

http://bassland.net/jamerson.html (then click on 'Jamerson Info: Who Played on "I was Made to Love Her" CLICK HERE')

You can draw your own conclusions...
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Jondiener,

That has been hashed, rehashed and argued over several times here. No need to do it all again.

brad cook
 

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