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Carvin and the Fender Jazz

Not sure its relevant to anything but I saw a repeat of the Eagle's Hell Freezes Over concert last night. I notice 99% of the time Timothy S. played his white signature Carvin. The bass sounded great and cut through the mix very well.

He picked up his trusty Jazz and was almost lost in mix, very difficult to hear the bass.

Would be interested to hear from any players who play both Carvin and Fender Jazz for their opinions.
 
I've played Carvin basses for many, many years. They make some of the most beautiful instruments.....a outstanding bang for the buck.

But over the years I found I am more fond of the Fender Jazz sound....which I could not really get on my Carvins. Now I had Carvins with just about every PU configuration.....but when it came down to it I liked my Fenders better for slap and fretless.

Not to say the Carvins sound bad.....just not for me. BUT, the Carvins I had were wonderful in the studio. Very quiet and very easy to eq. I currently don't own any, but I would not think twice about recommending them. Actually, I may pick up one of their AC basses.
 
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I notice 99% of the time Timothy S. played his white signature Carvin. The bass sounded great and cut through the mix very well.

He picked up his trusty Jazz and was almost lost in mix, very difficult to hear the bass.

Each individual instrument is unique, and each has its own tone. So it's hard to extrapolate much from these two single bass guitars alone...

That said, I've also owned Carvin basses for years. And I can vouch for their consistently high standard of quality.

Relative to the Fender Jazz, however, I would say that the Carvin probably provides more variability on tone, simply because Carvin offers a lot more choice in selection of components, i.e. woods, pickups, construction methods, etc. However, at least with respect to the "LB" series of basses (especially the LB70), it's clear that the Fender Jazz was the inspiration for the original design. So there's still at least some vestigial influence... :hmm:

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I own a '08' MIA Fender Jazz V and a 2007 Carvin LB75AP Anniversary (see pics). I bought the Carvin earlier this year because I wanted a bass that was of supreme built and woods, I got that in the Carvin. This bass can get so many different types of tones, but it took all of 4 mths. to get a sound that I could use for live gigging. Needless to say, I was so frustrated that at one point I brought the bass back to the Carvin store where I bought it, but they wouldn't take it back, so I went back to the drawing board and finally got a sound I could use for live purposes. I've never used the Carvin for recording. Anyway, because I had so much trouble with the Carvin I decided to buy a '08' Jazz and I've got to say it sounds great right out of the box. It's a passive bass and the Carvin is 18v active, but for slap, rock, funk, blues, country, and R & B you can't beat the tone. It's articulate, punchy and super solid. The only thing that I don't care for on the Jazz is the bridge pup's output, so I'm swapping out the pups for some Bartolini 57J1's in hopes it will make the bass even sound better. So there is my experience with both basses, hoped it helped.;)
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Carvin offers so many different pickup options that it is really hard to generalize, but the Timothy B Schmit's signature model on the video has H50N humbucking pickups. Carvin has updated that pickup, and it is currently called the H50S. This pickup is generally a little mellower sounding than a Fender single coil. It's also a "cleaner" or more articulate sound, IMO. That's either good or bad depending on what you are looking for. His Carvin is a neck through, while the Fender is, of course, a bolt on. Many would argue that there is a natural difference in sound as a result.

I think Timothy sounds great with both the Carvin and the Fender, and I hadn't noticed that he was lost in the mix on the Hell Freezes Over video. It's been a while since I have looked at it, though. He played his Fender on just about everything on the latest video, Farewell 1. IMO he sounds great on that one, too.

I love my Carvins, but I'd never say that they are inherently better than Fenders. They are just different.

Given the choice of keeping my Carvin LB70s, of which I have two, or trading them for any two Fenders, I'd keep my Carvins. But, that's just me. They are like really comfortable shoes that fit me just right, ya' know? ;)
 
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so many people swap out the pickups on fenders, so they get the sound of those new pickups (not that schmit did that). you would get the same results if you swapped out the pickups in a carvin. you'd have a very solid bass with whatever pickup you want in there. the stock pickups are not bad, and with a good amp it's very easy to get a good tone. i bought a really cheap carvin on ebay with the idea of putting in some high end pickups. i bought the pickups and they're sitting in a box because so far i've had no problem with the carvin pickups. ( i have single coils). but if it's the electronics you're worried about then you can still pick up a cheap carvin on ebay and put in a high end set of pickups for less than a new fender and you'll probably have a better bass in my opinion...
 
The song I believe Timothy switch to the Jazz was the The Girl from Yesterday which is done 3/4 way through the video NOT the CD. I don't particularly care for that song which is an attempt to sing country. It was a live performance and I figured the sound guy messed up Timothy's bass but it is almost absent or to me sounds absent as compared to the rest of the songs.

Nope wrong song..let me check You Tube
 
I echo MysticMichael`s thoughts.
I play an older Carvin fretless 6 w/ H50N pups / active electronics and a MIM Jazz w/ DiMarzio pup upgrade. Since getting the Carvin I`ve struggled with whether or not to upgrade its electronics - BUT; one thing that had me leaning toward NOT upgrading was during a sound check with both basses connected at the same time (through different inputs on the DI) direct into the PA house / monitor system / no amp, I found I could dial the active Carvin in such that i could get the exact same tonal qualities as the Jazz running thru an external, powered EQ located between the bass and the DI. Then by simply adjusting the knobs on the Carvin i could go to that big, round, thick, Warrior bass sound. The Jazz just couldn`t do the thick thing well. Granted, the Carvin ain`t quite the Warrior for thick and punch it sure was satisfying in that regard this week - kudos to the sound guy (and the bass). And granted, the comparison wasn`t to an American Jazz, but I applaud the Carvin for matching the upgraded MIM Jazz sound. Though I haven`t actually done a side by side comparison to a Warwick, I believe i can get fairly close to their sound as well with the Carvin. Bottom line, Carvin is versatile.
One more thing, before i got the Carvin i did the same side by side comparison between my MIM Jazz and a Zon. I found the Zon sound not significantly different than the upgraded, EQ`d MIM Jazz.
 
I've played Carvin basses for many, many years. They make some of the most beautiful instruments.....a outstanding bang for the buck.

But over the years I found I am more fond of the Fender Jazz sound....which I could not really get on my Carvins. Now I had Carvins with just about every PU configuration.....but when it came down to it I liked my Fenders better for slap and fretless.

Not to say the Carvins sound bad.....just not for me. BUT, the Carvins I had were wonderful in the studio. Very quiet and very easy to eq. I currently don't own any, but I would not think twice about recommending them. Actually, I may pick up one of their AC basses.

I'm glad I stumbled across this thread/post.

I'm currently thinking about ordering a custom B series 5 string because I prefer bolt on necks to neck thrus.

I know they make beautiful looking instruments and I'm not overly worried about playability and construction issuses because I like to think they play very well and are built like a tank. I'm hesitant to put in the order because I do not know what they sound like and how versitile they are. I play several different styles of music with the primary being rock/metal.
 
To clarify my position on the Carvins. I consider them as kind of a hybrid able to simulate a number of different sounds; but, they are not a bass with their own identifiable sound like the Warwicks, the Music Man, or the Warriors. Carvin provides sound examples through their webpage and I think you can find Ed Friedland displaying their products on line as well.
Please note, I`m definitely not a gear expert. I`m just another guy that appreciates the Talkbass community and is compelled through a sense of civic mindedness to add in my 2 cents.
 
I think the Fender was strung with Flatwounds. He played the Carvin on the song Girl From Yesterday. I think he only played the Fender Jazz for the acoustic set at that show. I have seen clips from some shows now and he is using a Fender Jazz and I believe he has droped the Carvin in favor of the Jazz.
 
I believe he picks up the Fender again for Get Over It. I always liked his Fender tone for that concert. It's very growly, but still has a lot of note definition. It's actually what I think a pretty prototypical good Jazz Bass tone should be. I guess that goes to show how subjective some of this stuff really is, and how everyone "hears" different things when they listen to music.

Anyways, as a Carvin owner (LB75, hopefully Icon 5 by the end of the week) and a Jazz Bass owner (standard Mexi Fender J, Squier Jazz Deluxe V, SX Jazz 5-string with aftermarket Barts, plus I've had my hands on many-a-Jazz throughout my playing years), here are my views. The Carvin is a modern instrument, through and through. It's very articulate and there's no mistaking that it has active electronics. The bass itself doesn't have an instantly recognizable tone like a Jazz, Ric, Stingray, or Warwick. However, what it lacks in personality, it more than makes up in its ability to just sound awesome in a mix. I've had sound guys almost freak out over how much they like its sound when they're getting a level on me at the beginning of the night. The first gig I played with it, my guitar player just couldn't get over how it sounded through the FOH. The only thing I don't really dig about the Carvin is that I've never really cared for the rear pickup soloed (it has J99s). I usually blend both pickups right down the middle and the rear pickup adds just the right amount of presence to the more growly front pickup; I just don't dig it soloed. The Jazz Basses, in my general experience, are a little more organic. They have an instantly recognizable tone. They aren't quite as articulate as the Carvin. Plus, I've always preferred a full active EQ to a tone knob. In my experience, it's just real easy to go overboard with the tone knob by going from adding some presence/note definition to becoming full on clank and excessive finger/fret noise. That's just my personal experience. The Jazz Bass is a classic tone and I don't think that it will ever fully go away. The Squier, of course, is a totally different animal all together. It's an active bass with a modern flair. It's a bit more scooped than the Carvin and doesn't punch through a mix as readily, IMO (I'd like to upgrade the electronics). I do prefer its slap sound over the Carvin, probably because its more scooped.

Bottom-line: I think that it's almost comparing apples and oranges. Even though the LB series is obviously another spin on the Jazz vibe from a cosmetic standpoint, they aren't very Jazz-sounding to my ears. One bass is a modern, hifi piece. The other is an old school bolt-on for a taste that likes there to be instrinic colorization with the gear. They are both excellent instruments. I love my Carvin, but I plan on owning a high-end MIA Fender Jazz one day. I wish they made a five-string version of the Geddy Lee, which is by far the best playing Jazz I've ever played. Wow, I really hope that my Icon gets delivered here today!
 
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The Carvin is a modern instrument, through and through. It's very articulate and there's no mistaking that it has active electronics. ...

Bottom-line: I think that it's almost comparing apples and oranges. Even though the LB series is obviously another spin on the Jazz vibe from a cosmetic standpoint, they aren't very Jazz-sounding to my ears. One bass is a modern, hifi piece. The other is an old school bolt-on for a taste that likes there to be instrinic colorization with the gear.

unless your carvin has passive electronics like mine does...

and unless you also have a carvin with a bolt on neck...

tons of variety available with carvin
 
Be sure you like Carvin's ergonomics. I had an LB20 with DiMarizio Model Js and it sounded great, but fit me like a Victorian bustle dress. No thanks. Had to go to Fender to get one that fit.

Great sounding, very nicely constructed bass, though.
 
I had Carvin LB 76 Anniversary model from 1996 which I liked a lot. Great ergonomics and playability, very quiet preamp. It didn't have enough low mids though, it was more clean sounding.

I tried several new Carvins in a store lately and was a bit disappointed. The pickups and electronics sounded bad - weak and thin, very midrangy. One of the basses had bad truss rod (it was completely new bass). Really bad experience.

I am also disappointed in new US Fender Jazz basses - I've tried appr. 20 of them lately and non of them was good enough - pure fretwork, sharp egdes, dull wood, etc.
PS! I have exactly the same experience, the newer Jazz basses just disappear in the overall mix.

So, try to find older instruments which seem to be far better than the newer ones. Bear on both - the Fender and the Carvin.
 
The nice thing about Carvin is you can order the sound you're looking for. I would guess that an alder or ash bodied bass with a maple neck and maple or rosewood board, with single coils, would do a reasonable jazz impression.

When I ordered my LB75, I was looking for kind of a rock and roll Tbird type sound. I got a mahogany bodied, mahogany necked, ebony boarded bass with soapbars. In passive mode, it doesn't sound JUST like a Tbird, but it's definitely in the same "family"