I'm not trying to completely criticise your videos, I think that some of what you say in them is interesting and that it's a fitting conclusion to what must have been hours of work for you. All I'm saying is that I find it odd that you don't even remark on post-tracking editing. It must be worth even 2 or 3 minutes of a half hour video, even if only to explain why some of your pedal combinations don't come close - it's obviously something you're educated in.
If you really don't want me to express my opinion on your work or posts, then please don't say things like:
"Until I came along, NO ONE IN THE WORLD had a convincing Hysteria tone, at least that they publicized. "
That's an amazing thing to say - how can you possibly prove that?
At the very least, I think you should make clear that you are demonstrating an opinion of how he creates his album tones. this argument has come about because I believe you present it as a documentation of his signal chain, which is misleading.
I am going to paint you a picture of what is going on, and then I am done. After this post, I will no longer respond to anything you have to say, because it is quite obvious you have no intention of taking what could be great information, applying it to whatever your interest is, and using it. Instead, you wish to argue semantics, and discuss topics which are really not something that is the point of what is going on.
First, it is impractical to address post production in a studio I was not present in for a recording I did not witness. It is also impractical to address these same issues for a live rig, but a person who is a bass player. these are done by engineers to ensure a smooth and correct sounding album/live performance, and exists everywhere in the musical world. Sure, we could say that there is post production, but that is a given. This series is not meant to show you how to record and master your tone to sound like him. It was designed to show what gear is used, and how to approach his sound to play along with, or to use live. You want to wax philosophical about post production chains to which you have absolutely no knowledge about? Go ahead, but you will sound like an idiot, especially if you don't have ACTUAL knowledge of the topic, only to attempt to fake your way through it. I don't bother learning about the studio they are recording in, or the signal chain in post because the variables are so vast, that no one, including Bellamy could tell you everything.
I understand EQ and compression have a little to do with the overall sound on an album, but the fundemental tone is what makes the "sound". Shaping it after it is recorded just enhances the tone, not remakes it. Sh!t goes in, you get sh!t out... Put gold in, you get gold out, just louder and a little more clear.
Secondly, I challenge you to find a documented case (recorded in audio or video) that shows Hysteria as close to the album as humanly possible being played by one person, with a stringed instrument before my thread and videos came out. Do it. I have yet to find ANYONE that has gotten this close. Am I a God for it? No. I applied logic to the idea, and figured it out. Am I bragging? A little bit, but I also realize it was not rocket science. The fact that your attitude towards this thread has been one of condescension since day 1 has made me not care of your opinion of me, my work, or what I say. This happened 3 pages ago, and is happening again, and I for one am tired of having to explain anything to someone that feels this is appropriate to do in any thread.
Third, and finally, his signal chain is represented. It is as close as ANYONE outside of Chris and his tech Shane will be able to do. No one knows his exact routing after he moved to rack switchers, and no one will ever know his POD settings, or other rack effects settings. What we have found is based off of the OoS board, that his effects lay in this configuration, or close to it. I don't own everything he has, and I don't really want to. To say that my videos, titles and information is misleading is a crock. I have NEVER proclaimed that I know everything, and that I am 100% right. I use the tools I have, and the information I find to reconstruct these sounds. Others have been doing it since recorded music was invented. Some discuss technique, others tone and sounds created. Some look at recording techniques, others focus on tangible gear. The only person voicing anything remotely like you are talking about is you. 45,000 plus views can't be wrong.
Don't think for a second that I am attempting to make everyone bow to me, like the God of Wolstenholme. Don't think for a second I am purposefully misleading anyone with what I am doing. Stop taking things too seriously. I am OPENLY passing along the knowledge I have to a community of people looking for it. Constructive criticism is great, but that is not what you are doing. You are condescending, constantly undermining my videos, and attempting to poke holes in anything I say. You are the definition of a troll.
I hope acting like this was worth the serious thread derailment... TWICE. I hope you are satisfied in your questions, and I hope all your concerns were addressed. You have far surpassed your usefulness in this thread, and will be ignored from now on by myself, and I hope the rest of this forum does the same. Call it what you want to, but your approach, and attitude have pushed this conversation this far. Your relevance to the topic is is over. Go into the Tool FX thread, and ask those guys (who have spent more time and energy on Justins sound) why they don't discuss post stream mixing and mastering. You will most likely get the same attitude and dismissal from those guys. Even if they answer your question with polite attitudes, you will get the same "we can't speculate on any of that" and "we just don't know, so why bother discussing it" answers.
