Yep, the church is full of hypocrites and sinners. When it's not we can tear it down, won't be needed anymore.
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Church/Bar Band....Thoughts?
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Yep, the church is full of hypocrites and sinners. When it's not we can tear it down, won't be needed anymore.
Oh I'll be nice, or I'll try, I do like theology, I am a fan of Athanasius, and Augustine for the most part. Although many others intrigue me as well. One book I read this past month was Rudolf Otto's "The idea of the Holy" or something like that, great book. Lewis quotes him as the Professor.
That's right. I like all that you have said here, pal.
But look here, ya'll. See, I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in many churches. For instance, I hardly ever drink alcohol. But once in awhile I do. And it may be that on a rare occasion I'll get smashed, although that may only be once every twenty years or so. Nonetheless, I don't think it's a sin, unless I hurt myself or someone else (including being a stumbling block to them).
When I play a bar gig I cut up and party with the best of them, drinking, smoking, or not. Again, I don't think it's a sin to party--for the same reasons.
I grew up Baptist. Alcohol, other substances, dancing, card playing, gambling, looking at women, looking at "dirty" magazines, cussing---all were considered sins. No matter if it was all done in a harmless way, and in moderation. My belief is that anything we do could be a sin if it hurts us or anyone else, or if it is against God, or if it has some negative effect such as becoming the most important thing in our life (causing us to shirk responsibility, family, or anything else that is good). But, when something is done in moderation it is less likely to be a problem. We must also be respectful of others, and try not to offend anyone. But, hey, just because I played a bar gig and had a rip-roaring good time doesn't mean it was a sin. It could be, though, if I do it wrong, or if I feel bad about it. But, I don't need someone else to condemn me for it. If something is wrong, I'll know it in my heart, and will stop doing it.
I don't think "cussing" is a sin either. True "cursing" could be, though. But, when I cuss, it means nothing. But, I won't do it in front the wrong folks, just out of respect.
Am I weird? Do I need help? Should I rethink all this? Aw, me and God have talked it all over many times. He just grabs me around the neck, gives me a knuckle rub-burn on the head and says, "Be careful out there, and don't forget Me, ok?" We have a great relationship, I think.
What's the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? The Methodist will say hello to you in the liquor store.
Yep, or a classic variation of that:
- Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah.
- Protestants don't acknowledge the Pope as head of the Church.
- Baptists don't acknowledge each other in the liquor store.
I'm Baptist so that joke always gives me kick.
- Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah.
- Protestants don't acknowledge the Pope as head of the Church.
- Baptists don't acknowledge each other in the liquor store.
I'm Baptist so that joke always gives me kick.
Yeah, the 'YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!!!" method of evangelism doesn't seem to work too well nowadays.....
Being good won't get you to heaven, being bad won't keep you out. 'Whosoever believes'....
That's as far as I go in evangelism on the internet. Maybe a step too far for the mods...sure glad I found that P bass body I needed....
I said too much in my last post. Sorry, ya'll. Just got me going. Now, I'll say this: there are good folks in church, whether I agree with them or not. Some aren't so good, but none of us are perfect anyway. I sure don't want to offend any of them by doing what they think is wrong, so church gigs aren't for me anymore. Just recently a very nice feller from a nearby large Baptist church stopped by, and of course, asked me to come visit them, and said they have a great music program. I'm sure they do. I said I'd think about it, but I know it would be the same old story about whether it's right to come in sleepy-eyed after playing a bar the night before. It's too bad because I enjoy a lot of church music (my favorite hymn is Abide With Me). I have even written some Christian songs in the past, including a couple of hymns, one arranged for full choir. But alas...
The church/bar division goes way back into small town America. You could lose your job as a teacher or a pastor if you went to a bar. If women wore shorts out gardening it could be a scandal. That was the culture.....the way of life. There are a few ultra-conservative churches that still have a hangover from that way of thinking.
Things have changed a lot...........I play in a church band and a bar band and get zero flack for it.
Things have changed a lot...........I play in a church band and a bar band and get zero flack for it.
Our (Presbyterian) church's regular music is strictly organ and choir, but we have guest music now and again. We've had string quintets, brass quartets (one of which I've played in), jazz groups, and all kinds of stuff. I'm on the Worship and Music Committee so I'm privy to a lot of the set-up, and I don't think our church has ever had any problems with what the musician does outside of church.
last year I got a DUI...3 beers and needed to go to court, fail on me, I told my pastor was happened, that week I did not get the song list for next Sunday service, pastor called me to tell me I needed to repair my relationship with Jesus and also that I was a bad testimony for the church, they banned me from the worship band for 10 months, they allow me to play now but is not the same anymore
pedroims,
From knowing the other side of the church... it sounds like they were encouraging you to leave.
I wouldn't stick with a church that did this to me... mistake or no mistake...
From knowing the other side of the church... it sounds like they were encouraging you to leave.
I wouldn't stick with a church that did this to me... mistake or no mistake...
I know, currently looking for a new church, although I am not sure if I want a church at all .
last year I got a DUI...3 beers and needed to go to court, fail on me, I told my pastor was happened, that week I did not get the song list for next Sunday service, pastor called me to tell me I needed to repair my relationship with Jesus and also that I was a bad testimony for the church, they banned me from the worship band for 10 months, they allow me to play now but is not the same anymore
I'm sorry to hear that, pal. A REAL church should, instead, gather you in its arms when you make a mistake.
Story: a stranger walks into church all dirty. The pastor tells him he should show more respect for the house of God, and tells him to come back next week all cleaned up, and to ask God to teach him how to dress at their church. When the man comes back all dirty again, the pastor asks him if he asked God to show him how to dress at their church. The man said, "Yes, but God said he didn't know since He's never been here."
It shouldn't matter how you look ar what you've done.
Hey folks...apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but I heard something I've never heard of in my life the other day about matters relating to faith and I was hoping someone here could clarify it for me.
What in the heck is a personal salvation statement?
A lady in the grocery line ahead of me was talking to the cashier and it was obvious from the conversation they knew each other. Lady put some beer on the belt and told her friend not to worry, the beer was for her husband, and it was OK because his personal salvation statement didn't prohibit using alcohol.
I've tried looking it up, but all I got was an article from a girl where the phrase "personal salvation statement" was part of the title of her article.
Is this something new for the organized church or is it just another aspect of the DIY faith movement I've been reading about?
What in the heck is a personal salvation statement?
A lady in the grocery line ahead of me was talking to the cashier and it was obvious from the conversation they knew each other. Lady put some beer on the belt and told her friend not to worry, the beer was for her husband, and it was OK because his personal salvation statement didn't prohibit using alcohol.
I've tried looking it up, but all I got was an article from a girl where the phrase "personal salvation statement" was part of the title of her article.
Is this something new for the organized church or is it just another aspect of the DIY faith movement I've been reading about?
No idea but drink alcohol is NOT sin, there is nothing in the bible that tell you not to drink, however , biblie teach that you should avoid alcohol
Try to remember to not blame God for the stupid acts inside some churches. It has always happened, and it always will, but God still wants you to be a part of a community. There's a church for you out there.
When religious people go down this Drink Is Sin road, they're not getting it.
Remember: The first miracle of Jesus was: the creation of wine at the wedding.
People shouldn't drink excessively - especially when they know that the drinking leads to sin. But drinking in and of itself is far from a sin.
God wants us to celebrate and enjoy life.
