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CITES - What every bass player should know

#21
Now the Government can allocate millions of dollars to the war on wood! Maybe even create a new bureaucracy or 2 to enforce it? IDK, maybe call it the "Dept. Of Screwing Over Taxpayers And Law-Abiding Citizens Because We Make Broad Laws Without Think About How It Affects The Average Joe".. Or DOSOTALACBWMBLWTAHIATAJ for short. :facepalm:
 
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Well, here's my take on this, for what it's worth: if the government causes the end user enough grief, then they will begin to demand that the manufacturers abide by the treaty.

I look at it this way: the only reason the rhinos are poached is because demand from end user is there. You can lock up all the poachers you catch, but as long as the demand ergo the money is there, the poaching will not stop. find the guy buying the powdered rhino horn to keep his unit up and throw HIM in jail, that will help to curb it.

Please don't take time to flame, it was just a thought.
 
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Kaa said:
Well, here's my take on this, for what it's worth: if the government causes the end user enough grief, then they will begin to demand that the manufacturers abide by the treaty.

I look at it this way: the only reason the rhinos are poached is because demand from end user is there. You can lock up all the poachers you catch, but as long as the demand ergo the money is there, the poaching will not stop. find the guy buying the powdered rhino horn to keep his unit up and throw HIM in jail, that will help to curb it.

Please don't take time to flame, it was just a thought.
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I don't think most people have any problem at all with protecting endangered woods and restricting it in new products. What is a problem is how it - or the interpretation/implementation of it - also strikes at products made before the ban was introduced, and even at totally legal products. That does nothing to help the environment, put pressure on manufacturers or make people support the regulation.
 
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I agree in protecting endangered species, but shouldn't 'They" apply that restriction only to the instrument that made 'after' the Convention?

(I'm sorry my english is not good and I'm not expert in thing like this)
 
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Kaa said:
Well, here's my take on this, for what it's worth: if the government causes the end user enough grief, then they will begin to demand that the manufacturers abide by the treaty.

I look at it this way: the only reason the rhinos are poached is because demand from end user is there. You can lock up all the poachers you catch, but as long as the demand ergo the money is there, the poaching will not stop. find the guy buying the powdered rhino horn to keep his unit up and throw HIM in jail, that will help to curb it.

Please don't take time to flame, it was just a thought.
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There is alot of truth in this statement. It is always demand the fuels illegal activity. When the vast majority of the world is just trying to feed their family you bet they will kill a rhino and sell the horn. The sad thing is that a great deal of the 1st world could care less about the environment and gets all antsy when the government attempts to control a problem (which they rarely do well). I don't know the answer and it is very complex if one takes the time to really look at the ramifications of managing a crisis like this from a global standpoint.
 
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warrplayer said:
The problem with grandfathering in the old stuff is that is always used to wiggle out of the law. Oh, no, your honor this is a
an old fretboard I repurposed onto this 2014 Ibanez. ;)
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And if the guy did, in fact, repurpose an old BR fingerboard from a Larson Brothers or Martin, then what?

How about repurposing old barn wood or furniture that was made from a (currently) restricted material? The law (and those who created/support it) don't care.
 
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Jeff Scott said:
And if the guy did, in fact, repurpose an old BR fingerboard from a Larson Brothers or Martin, then what?

How about repurposing old barn wood or furniture that was made from a (currently) restricted material? The law (and those who created/support it) don't care.
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It's not that they don't care. It's that they want an easy no brainer way to cut down on the use of endangered wood. Leaving lots of wiggle room for the 'accused' makes the law fairer, but also ends up making it fairly worthless. Anytime wiggle room is written into a law, it ends up really just meaning the only people benefitting from the law are lawyers.
 
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TheAnalogKid said:
I did catch that; I was being somewhat facetious in my last post. The fact remains, and we should all have a sense of proportion, is that outright banning the use of so-called endangered timber should be around the 10-20 millionths place on our list of problems with which we are coping in the world! I guess I'm old-school, and think that we should be prudent stewards of our natural bounties, such as woods of all kinds...call me crazy! I tend to think that whatever foreign government bureaucrats signed onto this also should have their heads examined, along with ours! Christ, Almighty!
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Right on. If you examined their heads you would probably certainly find them made of wood. But certainly not any valuable wood, just cheap stuff of no quality.

You notice this sort of "law" usually ends up YOU having to prove you are not guilty instead of innocent until proven?

Well, I better not get political. But don't you enjoy having more and more of your life and things in it under government control? I mean, I sure feel safer, healthier and very much more in tune with the cosmos now, which of course means I am very sophisticated and therefore better than most ill-informed morons. And I ALWAYS allow opinion to win over fact. I wonder if I can get a job in the BLM or other agency if I can prove I am hip and cool and will definitely go after wood-terrorists.
 
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It is an interesting problem with no good solutions. I have a mid to late 1960s EB-2. It probably has some kind of contraband fretboard wood, but I don't know. Likewise, I have chairs made of now extinct Cuban mahogany. That wood was made into chairs over 100 years ago. about 25 years ago, I used a fair amount of Honduras mahogany to build chairs. I still have pieces of that wood left. I kept all the scraps, because it was getting harder to get then, and it is one of the most enjoyable woods to work. So, I suppose my basement is illegal now. But, if you don't start somewhere, how do you keep people from skinning the planet completely? I absolutely don't know the answer.
 
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