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CITES - What every bass player should know

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Turnaround, Apr 24, 2014.


  1. Bentley

    Bentley Supporting Member

    Aug 3, 2008
  2. s_wood

    s_wood Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2003
    Delaware (USA)
    Good news! The CITES Convention has given its final approval to an amendment CITES treaty Appendix II (Prop 52) that will exempt “finished musical instruments, finished musical instrument parts and finished musical instrument accessories” that contain rosewood (dalbergia)(except Brazilian rosewood), bubinga, tulipwood and cocobolo from the treaty’s restrictions.

    Two quick points:

    1. These changes do NOT become effective immediately. The amendment becomes a part of the CITES treaty 90 days after its adoption (August 27). But, for practical purposes, the effective date will be on a country-by-country basis as each one changes its own national laws and regs that implement CITES.

    2. These changes do NOT affect Brazilian rosewood. The international sale of instruments containing Brazilian rosewood is still basically banned.

    Still, good news!
     
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  3. roogbass

    roogbass Supporting Member

    Feb 18, 2010
    The Netherlands
    Eich endorser.
    And transport of your pre CBS Fender?
    Brazilian rosewood.
     
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  4. s_wood

    s_wood Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2003
    Delaware (USA)
    Nothing has changed concerning instruments containing Brazilian rosewood. That species is listed on CITES Appendix I. Consequently, in order for Brazilian rosewood in any form to move internationally the appropriate permits are required. Each country has its own requirements, so what follows is true only for U.S. residents.

    In the US, CITES is administered by the US Fish and Wildlife Service, who now offer a "musical instrument passport" good for 3 years. It costs $85. It requires you to enter the US at one of 31 designated CITES ports of entry. See here for more info: Musical Instruments

    Another great website for musicians trying to figure out CITES is here:
    League of American Orchestras

    And let me repeat myself. CITES is an international treaty that is enforced by each member country with its own laws and regs. Those laws and regs can be stricter (but not less strict) than what CITES requires. I'm an American living in the US, so if you live in any other country you need to check with your own government to figure out exactly what the rules are that will apply to you.

    So, basically, international travel with an instrument containing Brazilian rosewood is, and will probably forever be, a huge PIA. And the international sale of an instrument with Brazilian rosewood is prohibited. But for all of the other common bass woods, things are about to get better.
     
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  5. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Oh, I don't need more info, you do. As I noted in my post (see, below), I did not post a redundant link to said article. I posted a link to a now-closed TB thread on the topic with the same title as the article. But whatever, it is moot now. :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

    N.B. is not Niels Bohr or New Balance, it is nota bene abbreviated. Note Well.
    Nota bene - Wikipedia
     
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  6. s_wood

    s_wood Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2003
    Delaware (USA)
    My apologies...btw the "scroll up" advice was for those concerned about Brazilian rosewood in particular.
     
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  7. mikewalker

    mikewalker Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2017
    Canada, Eh!
    :hyper:
     
  8. Turnaround

    Turnaround Commercial User

    May 6, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Independent Instrument Technician, and Contractor to Club Bass and Guitar - Toronto
    These are two very important points. The second one is pretty clear. Sale of Brazilian Rosewood is banned.
    But the first point is not so cut-and-dried. It will take some time (perhaps years) for the signatory countries to change their legislation to suit.
     
  9. rogerbmiller

    rogerbmiller Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 16, 2003
    NYC
    This news was just released. I believe it exempts instruments with rosewood already manufactured from the prior CITES restrictions placed on rosewood, so previously manufactured instruments with rosewood can be traded freely again:

    CITES Policy Updates
     
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  10. Great news!
     
  11. SleepyShark

    SleepyShark

    Feb 28, 2018
    The Low End
    Notable details:

    Effective in late November 2019 - the exact date to be announced.

    The exception applies to all species of dalbergia except Brazilian rosewood, which remains on CITES Appendix I.
     
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  12. jeff62

    jeff62 Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Orlando, FL
    good luck certifying whether your fretboard is *brazilian* rosewood or not. :rollno:

    Instruments should have been exempted, period.
     
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  13. smperry

    smperry Administrator Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    Bay Area, CA
  14. Tom Bomb

    Tom Bomb Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2014
    Guitar.com recently asked a panel of industry luminaries to give their thoughts on the future of rosewood in guitar now that the CITES restrictions have been lifted. Among the panel, many a happy chappie.
     
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  15. smperry

    smperry Administrator Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    Bay Area, CA
    In case it's not clear, duplicate threads get merged sometimes. I realize that this means that the same article might get posted multiple times. sorry, but yeah.
     
  16. mikewalker

    mikewalker Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2017
    Canada, Eh!
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  17. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
  18. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    I just saw some photos of a house that has solid BRW flooring!
     

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