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Clashes even before first gig

May 19, 2014
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I've been recruited to join a start-up Cajun style band by a drummer who is playing washboard and triangle and a bit of snare drum in this project. Mostly old-time Cajun songs but a few mouldy olies like "C'est la vie" and "Jambalays" too. The rhythm guitarist is a veteran drummer too so he's really really solid and chunky.

Two extremely good fiddlers, one from bluegrass and the other from a classical, swing, country-rockabilly background. Couldn't find a real Cajun sytle button accoridon player so we have a very good piano accordion player. He is skilled and musically trained too; whips up lead sheets in minutes with all the notes written out for the fiddlers to learn the heads of songs.

Trouble is that the washboard player started the band, is the defacto BL, directs the rehearsals and suggests arrangements, or at least tries to get everyone to agree on where solos go and for how long.

The accordionist is very opinionated in this regard too and at times his suggestions contradict the BL's ideas and rhearsals come to a dead stop while they "discuss" their differences. I hope it works out, the overall sound is awesome and for the first time in 52 years of playing I'm getting asked to do lead vocals. Mostly because I can speak French, but also, my vocals are whiny and slightly out of tune, just like the old records.

But now I have an original song I showed them last week and wrote out the melody yesterday in my unschooled self-taught way but the whole thing works out to 10 bars. Should be 8 or 12 I think.

Somehting just ain't right. I suggested in an email tothe BL that I ask the accordion player to write out the lead sheet for the head but he wrote: "No, don't let him arrange your original song." I think he's primairly worried about losing control of the band.

Anyway, I'm ging to make a short video of me playing guitar and warbling through my two-chord original Cajun tune and send to them. The fiddlers are good enough to pick it up by ear anyway.
 
Chemistry and compatibility.

If someone designates themselve as band leader that should almost certainly disqualify from being one as anyone who reads these threads often enough, will know, imo.

Where all these weird snarky band members come from i dont know
 
OK, so what musical ability does the washboard player have to lead the band with?

Usually people who have keys knowledge are able to arrange well due to having a fair amount of training. I'm not sure I'm buying that a washboard player is the best choice for driving arrangements but maybe there's something about the washboard player we don't know?

Hope this all works out, sounds like a mess to me.
 
OK, so what musical ability does the washboard player have to lead the band with?

Usually people who have keys knowledge are able to arrange well due to having a fair amount of training. I'm not sure I'm buying that a washboard player is the best choice for driving arrangements but maybe there's something about the washboard player we don't know?

Hope this all works out, sounds like a mess to me.

He is a veteran drummer with at least 40 years expereince, quite possibly 50, I don't exactly know how many years he has been playing. He's got tons of rock and roll, blues, swing, country and rockabilly experience and has been in more bands and played more gigs than anyone I know. Thus he has plenty of experience figurng out where intros, verses, choruses, solos and endings go in songs.

We're getting another accordionist/keyboard player with tons of experience too, so, yes, me too, I hope it all works out.
 
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He is a veteran drummer with at least 40 years expereince, quite possibly 50, I don't exactly know how many years he has been playing. He's got tons of rock and roll, blues, swing, country and rockabilly experience and has been in more bands and played more gigs than anyone I know. Thus he has plenty of experience figurng out where intros, verses, choruses, solos and endings go in songs.

We're getting another accordionist/keyboard player with tons of experience too, so, yes, me too, I hope it all works out.
OK, well, it sounds like he might know what he's doing then. I know that sometimes keys players think they're the most accomplished musicians in the room; a lot of times that's true, but not always, and when it isn't you learn a lot more about that person and their ego. Fingers crossed that it all goes well with the new guy! Keep us posted.
 
Good Lord.
It's not so bad, the rest of us recognize that the band leader had the idea for the band and put us all together in the same room.

He's the one who pays attention, makes notes, writes out arrangement charts and is open to song and arrangment suggestions. There was an obvious personality clash with the first accordion player, that's all.
 
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Trouble is that the washboard player started the band, is the defacto BL, directs the rehearsals and suggests arrangements, or at least tries to get everyone to agree on where solos go and for how long.
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the rest of us recognize that the band leader had the idea for the band and put us all together in the same room. He's the one who pays attention, makes notes, writes out arrangement charts and is open to song and arrangment suggestions. There was an obvious personality clash with the first accordion player, that's all.
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Problem solved.

Accordion player quit.

I can get along fine with the drummer/washboardist BL.

Only now we have a Cajun band with no accordion.

Oh well.

I hate t9 break it to you. Your problem is not solved. Your band leader ran off one of tue more competent and accomplished musicians in the band. Again, the guy who plays WASHBOARD ran of the musician who can whip up lead sheets and arrange songs.

Good luck with that.
 
I hate t9 break it to you. Your problem is not solved. Your band leader ran off one of tue more competent and accomplished musicians in the band. Again, the guy who plays WASHBOARD ran of the musician who can whip up lead sheets and arrange songs.

Good luck with that.

You might have missed the part about the washboard player being a veteran professional drummer of 50 years choosing to play washboard, triangle and snare drum for this band.
 
You got to wonder if some people like to be in bands to play music or just to exercise tyranny?
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Well, I was in a band once with a very well-meaning BL who had been a singer in metal bands and was not the most accomplished musician in any room, but a super nice guy. We brought in a fiddle player who almost immediately decided that it was his job to change arrangements we'd already worked out and impose a bunch of musical rules about how many verses before a chorus, when you should put in a bridge, etc.

He was undoubtedly a more accomplished musician than the BL but between the rest of us we'd cobbled together some fairly decent arrangements and there was nothing really wrong with whatever it is that fiddle player had decided to "fix." So that didn't work out very well. The guy was trying to bully his way into a position of authority that didn't really need to be filled.

Some people might be competent but a little too forceful in the way they wield their competence. I've been the most accomplished player in several bands and I'd never dream of shoving my arrangements at a band as though they were rules that Must Be Obeyed. There are ways to get your thoughts across without resorting to that, and if you can't get your thoughts out there in a way that they're considered then the problem probably isn't you-- been there and done that, as well.

So, hard to know what happened here, but if the BL has the skills to lead, people should let him do that, or give him thoughtful feedback that he can take on board in a way that doesn't feel too intrusive.
 
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