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Cliff Burton Fan Club

#82
Interesting fact that I though I might throw in there. Lars of all people was once confronted by an interviewer about how you can't hear the bass at all on AJFA, to which he replied something to the effect off: We mixed the bass almost completely out because after our recent tragedy we didn't want people to be immediately comparing Jason to Cliff, but I assure you, there is no where on the album that the bass guitar doesn't exactly match the rhythm guitar. Now, no one will ever no if this is actually true, but the man DID say it.
 
#83
Big Burton fan here!
It is because of early Metallica that got me into metal in '84.
There are certain musicians that are great and some that are great and very unique. Cliff Burton was both. He had a certain specialness about him. Ugly, mean but beautiful. It became apparent in Metallica's music after he left us. Their music was still great I'm sure his influence had something to do with that. You could tell he lived and breathed metal. I also loved the fact that he was so against he whole hero worship/rock star thing. It sucks because I had tickets to go see them in '86 and he died the day after I bought them. I was so bummed because he was my favorite member. But Jason came in and they still kicked ass.
 
#84
MammaryVest said:
Interesting fact that I though I might throw in there. Lars of all people was once confronted by an interviewer about how you can't hear the bass at all on AJFA, to which he replied something to the effect off: We mixed the bass almost completely out because after our recent tragedy we didn't want people to be immediately comparing Jason to Cliff, but I assure you, there is no where on the album that the bass guitar doesn't exactly match the rhythm guitar. Now, no one will ever no if this is actually true, but the man DID say it.
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I was always under the impression that there was some sort of conflict between Cliff in one camp and Lars and James in the other with Kirk being more neutral. I always thought that Lars and James never really gave Jason much input and probably kept his playing in check.
I remember reading an interview a long time ago with James saying that things are more focused without Cliff.
 
#85
PrimusNut, sign me up.

I started listening to Metallica after "Master" came out. Cliff Burton is one of the reasons I always was fascinated by bass. I think "Lightning" and "Master" are the two best albums Metallica has done and their songwriting (IMHO) has never recovered from Cliff's untimely departure. "Orion" is my fave song of all time (although "Fade to Black" comes a close second).

When I first heard Jaco Pastorius and the way he pushed his bass to sound brassy and organ-like, I was reminded of the ways that Cliff used distortion and the upper end of his bass's range to achieve some mind-blowing sounds.

Please sign me up as #19.
 
#91
PrimusNut said:
Ok, so far we have:
ALiP BoB #2
datsgora #3
FC Bass #4
machine gewehr #5
Risen Ashes #6
Bluedevilxx #7
Pete C #8
Lokire #9

Risen Ashes, 2 of those people didn't say anything that indicated they wanted to be in, so you are now #6.
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I have changed my life because of Cliff Burton, i am so inspired by him that i even have changed my taste of music.
I will always think of him as someone that helped me with shaping my personality.

hope this is good enough for a membership. I join, GIVE ME A NUMBER!!! :)

( I think its great with a Misfits tattoo on the arm, I have played with the thought of getting it, think the Misfit skull is awesome. I like Misfits pretty much but if i would have it on my arm, it would be a sign that showed everyone that I was a big Cliff fan, something that i am!)
 
#92
jsbass said:
Wow. You should kick yourself in the face for that. His lines were actually pretty complex on AJFA but they are just very burried in the mix.



Jason never 'influenced' this change or anything. And, he couldn't stop it, Metallica never let him input anything as far as their musical direction. And you don't know how Cliff would have happened. The money was rolling in and people change. Cliff could have wanted change just as much as James or Lars. You don't know that.



Untrue. Jason started playing bass before Metallica was even a band and before Cliff was even known as a bassist.



?!? He tried out and got the gig. What is he supposed to do? Not play? He didn't change or influence anything in the band, any changes made were all the doings of Lars and James.



Noted. Everyone is allowed to have their opinions.



He killed the awesomeness of the band? Didn't know that. I guess im out of it.



Againg with the scarred? JASON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. HE WAS A BASSIST WHO TRIED OUT AND APPARENTLY WAS THOUGHT TO BE GOOD ENOUGH AND PERFORMED WELL. That is all.

Now I wish I didn't voice my opinion on the last page. But that was just it. Opinion. Not a bashing, like jorah.

Oh, and if you think Jason can't solo, check out this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjOiYT1_KOo
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F*** are you doing on this thread? jesus!
Your username is Jsbass (jason bass)(i think) and you have a picture of Jason on your avatar!
You are a pure jason fan, something i dont blame you for.
But what in h*** are you doing in the Cliff burton fan club thread when you obviously thinking Jason is so much better???

first of all, as I have said hundreds of times, Cliff was a better musician (musically) than Jason, this is my personal opinion because i think Metallica's Gold period was around the three first albums. Cliff helped James to learn harmonizing and stuff. Jason have good techniques and he plays with a pick instead of fingers. They are different, so please shut up!

Jason is great! He can make great music!
But as everyone knows, he wasn't the right guy for Metallica! (at least he had an effect on their music, and they sold their sold for fame and fortune!)
Cliff, Kirk, James and Lars is the real metallica! together they created success, and became the biggest metalband. After Cliff era Metallica went down. I know Black Album and AJFA are good albums and very popular, but compared to MoP and RTL they doesn't have the metal feel that should have been there!!!

My all time favor albums will always be

Kill 'em all
Ride the Lightning
Master of puppets

that is the three metallica albums i really live for, the rest is boring! and NOT Metal at all !!! Now i just dig Cliff 'em All as the only live remains of the God, Cliff Burton.

I think it is ok that people dig Jason, but never say that he was so much better, because that is not the fact! He was different, didn't try to copy Cliff at least! And he said that Cliff shoes was to big to fill ! But he still managed to live through Metallicas torment in 14 years !

Jason is good, but not for Metallica. I think he belongs in Echobrain and Voivod!

Cliff is Metallica
Jason is Echobrain/voivod (i doesn't know all his bands)

is this so damn hard to understand for all you "jason was better" guys?
realize what is going on! this is a Cliff Thread, A FAN club! Not a Jason vs. Cliff !!!

this is my opinion in this huge useless battle between to good bassplayers. But it is kinda hard to see people that are fighting against things that even Metallica have said personally! i does not get your point. Metallica themselves have said much about this, and still people are fighting for the opposite! O.o ??

( I have tried to not take so much part in such lame argues, but when stuff like this comes up, i just have to complain about the weird views people have here )

bye the way: The link to the Jason solo. It was a sweet solo, but in a totally other area than cliffs solo was! he has an other style!! great performance!

I still think Cliff solo was more spectacular. Cliff solos was more tight when you think of the whole solo in one piece!
 
#93
Thunder_Fingers said:
I started out as a metallica fan, and by there a Cliff Burton fan, but it soon developed over to preferences for Jasons live style, and those good lines on Load and Reload. i have always felt that Jason was a much pro style bassist opposed to Cliff.

Cliff was low in the mix, unless you count those occasional farting noises. also, IMO, he have a completely horrible right hand technique, it looks so unprofesional, but hey, play as you want.

He had the occasional very cool lines (like the intro to for whom the bell tolls, Orion..) but other than that its mostly very standard for the genre, IMO, Frank Bello from Anthrax did more.

Either way, i get a little irritated when i read that he was the first to work with distortion. John Entwistle and Billy Sheehan was far before him, i have the Entwistle instructional video wich was recorded in 81 or so, and that is a very fuzzy tone.

its not meant to be ragging on him at all, as a former fan, i still have alot of respect for him, i just think that hes often blown out of proportions as a bassist.
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hi mate, not many Norwegian friends on this forum. (at least not as i have seen).

did Cliffs right hand technique looked horrible and unprofesional? .WHAT???... eeh..
when I look on Cliff 'em all i can't stop looking on his right hand when he is playing! looks like he have played for hundred years! simply terrific fingerwork.
but that is my opinion :)

he outgrew many bass teachers in his early days, his technique is not bad ! ^^
 
#95
hauntedoak said:
hi mate, not many Norwegian friends on this forum. (at least not as i have seen).

did Cliffs right hand technique looked horrible and unprofesional? .WHAT???... eeh..
when I look on Cliff 'em all i can't stop looking on his right hand when he is playing! looks like he have played for hundred years! simply terrific fingerwork.
but that is my opinion :)

he outgrew many bass teachers in his early days, his technique is not bad ! ^^
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Cliff had some kind of permanent injury in his right hand, like a torn ligament or something. So his pinky always stuck out in a weird way while he was playing. Certainly didn't seem to hinder his playing though! :)

Cliff had bass teachers? I've never read anything about that...
 
#96
Lokire said:
Cliff had some kind of permanent injury in his right hand, like a torn ligament or something. So his pinky always stuck out in a weird way while he was playing. Certainly didn't seem to hinder his playing though! :)

Cliff had bass teachers? I've never read anything about that...
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yeah, i have noticed his pinky too! just thought that he just felt for having his pinky sticking out. But sure, its possible an injury.

where did you found that out? :p

In an interview with cliffs parents, they told that he had several bass teachers, and he outgrew them all. He once had an odd bass teacher that introduced him to Bach:smug:
 
#100
Thunder_Fingers said:
what JASON did to metallica? Jason didnt do crap to Metallica, Metallica did what ever they "did" to themself, Jason had close to NO input.

Jason is 10 times the musician Cliff Burton was IMHO, his stuff is alot more "groovy" and musical when he was allowed to do his own thing.

And ill agree, the closest to flashy Burton was, was Anesthesia.. for the love of god, Steve Harris was a much more flashy player at that time.

how did jason scar Metallica? Just, How?

even though i turned out to be mainly a cliff fan for a while, Jason was the one that made me start playing bass, becouse of his awsome live attitude.
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Luckily that is your opinion. But what all you "Jason is 10 times better than cliff" is because you like other style.

But why are all of you Jason Newsted fans hanging around on a Cliff Burton Fan thread?

Is it because you Newsted fans feel owned by the HUGE mass of Burton fans?

why do we need to have this war against to great bass players? they are both good, they have both cool style, both in their own way.

they are very different, musically and in personality! It is not big wars against Stanley Clarke and Victor Wooten fans! so why should this endless battle just go on and on???

im tired of protecting Cliff from Jason fans, I will stop to do so!
I just enjoy them both and have others to do.

Relax everyone, it is a Cliff Burton fan thread after all, so please stick to the subject!!!

( ps. I have in a long time considered to get a Misfits tattoo, like Cliff had, as a tribute to him, because he was so importent for me when i started playing bass. Does it matter that the tattoo is copied from him when the tattoo remains you about him ?). :rollno: :smug:
 

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