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Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 16)

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I have used TIs on my LG5 and currently have a set on my 60s spec'd valenti. They certainly work very well on those basses but the tone is very limited as you might suspect to the old school type tone. For a project I think they can work very well, as for versatility for use as a main gigging instrument not so much.

I will likely bring the Valenti to MItch's GTG on Saturday so some others may chime in afterwards.
 
#722
My KBP4 (picture a few posts above) sounds awesome and has a real vintage tone, but if I insert anything to the signal chain, it looses its character. The difference in sound is huge.

Any true bypass pedal changes the sound character when engaged (ex: compresssor). It sounds like other bass when the compressor is engaged.

Any buffered pedal just changes the tone at all times.

Is there any way I could use my compressor pedal without changing the "tone character" of my KBP4?

BTW, this only happens with the KBP4 and it doesn't happen to any other bass I have or had before...
 
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Coelho said:
My KBP4 (picture a few posts above) sounds awesome and has a real vintage tone, but if I insert anything to the signal chain, it looses its character. The difference in sound is huge.

Any true bypass pedal changes the sound character when engaged (ex: compresssor). It sounds like other bass when the compressor is engaged.

Any buffered pedal just changes the tone at all times.

Is there any way I could use my compressor pedal without changing the "tone character" of my KBP4?

BTW, this only happens with the KBP4 and it doesn't happen to any other bass I have or had before...
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True bypass is only impacts the signal chain when the pedal is not engaged.... and if done correctly, it will not impact a passive pickup at all. Of course, when you engage a pedal, the sound will change, due to the buffering of a passive instrument and the nature of what the pedal does. Might just be some strange impedance mismatch or something with that particular pedal and the pickup.

If you use a compressor at a very subtle setting, getting a tube preamp does about the same thing. My Genz Streamliner, which has a true 'high voltage tube preamp' section (versus the more 'marketing tube' executions in many hybrids) really does a great job of subtle, musical compression when you dig in with a P, and no pedals or multiple cables needed.

If you still would rather use on outboard compressor, I would suggest heading to Guitar Center or whatever with you bass, and seeing if there is something in the design of your current unit is causing the issue, or if it is an outboard effect thing in general that you are hearing.

As a rule, I hate ANYTHING except a true bypass tuner between a passive instrument and an amp, and I go so far as to use super low capacitance cable with my passive P (George L's) to make sure there is a minimum of top end attenuation.


Edit: Awesome bass by the way!
 
#724
Hey Joel are you going to make MItch's on Saturday?

Coelho as Ken said sounds like an impedance issue. Personally I'd stick with bass cable amp and a tuner in the dedicated tuner out if you have one on your amp. Passive circuits are much more vulnerable to impedance matching. I'd guess the bass doesn't need any of that fluff anyway.
 
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KJung said:
True bypass is only impacts the signal chain when the pedal is not engaged.... and if done correctly, it will not impact a passive pickup at all. Of course, when you engage a pedal, the sound will change, due to the buffering of a passive instrument and the nature of what the pedal does. Might just be some strange impedance mismatch or something with that particular pedal and the pickup.

If you use a compressor at a very subtle setting, getting a tube preamp does about the same thing. My Genz Streamliner, which has a true 'high voltage tube preamp' section (versus the more 'marketing tube' executions in many hybrids) really does a great job of subtle, musical compression when you dig in with a P, and no pedals or multiple cables needed.

If you still would rather use on outboard compressor, I would suggest heading to Guitar Center or whatever with you bass, and seeing if there is something in the design of your current unit is causing the issue, or if it is an outboard effect thing in general that you are hearing.

As a rule, I hate ANYTHING except a true bypass tuner between a passive instrument and an amp, and I go so far as to use super low capacitance cable with my passive P (George L's) to make sure there is a minimum of top end attenuation.


Edit: Awesome bass by the way!
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Hi Ken,

the thing here is that I have several other basses where the tone change is not as dramatic. With the KBP, for some reason it is night and day. Really. My Fender precision tone is almost the same with the compressor engaged. Same with the Fender Jazz (both are completely passive as well).
 
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Coelho said:
Hi Ken,

the thing here is that I have several other basses where the tone change is not as dramatic. With the KBP, for some reason it is night and day. Really. My Fender precision tone is almost the same with the compressor engaged. Same with the Fender Jazz (both are completely passive as well).
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Again, might just be some strange impedance match-up with that particular pedal when engaged and that particular pickup. Try another compressor pedal at a store to isolate the cause.
 
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KJung said:
Again, might just be some strange impedance match-up with that particular pedal when engaged and that particular pickup. Try another compressor pedal at a store to isolate the cause.
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The cause is the pickup.

KBP4 + Any of 10 different pedals engaged = HUGE tone change.
Any of 10 other basses + any of these same high quality pedals = Not so big of a tone change.

I love the way the bass sound "pure" it is just weird that if I ever want any subtle effect to it, I will never be able to get it! (Again, not a big deal since I can use another bass...)
 
#728
What's the total length of both cables that you run. Bass> CABLE> effect> CABLE> amp.

Coelho said:
My KBP4 (picture a few posts above) sounds awesome and has a real vintage tone, but if I insert anything to the signal chain, it looses its character. The difference in sound is huge.

Any true bypass pedal changes the sound character when engaged (ex: compresssor). It sounds like other bass when the compressor is engaged.

Any buffered pedal just changes the tone at all times.

Is there any way I could use my compressor pedal without changing the "tone character" of my KBP4?

BTW, this only happens with the KBP4 and it doesn't happen to any other bass I have or had before...
Click to expand...
 
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Coelho said:
KBP4 + Any of 10 different pedals engaged = HUGE tone change.
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Sorry, have to ask...

10 pedals concurrently engaged and you can still tell the pickup's tone has been altered with all that other altering going on, or maybe even more importantly, that it's significant compared to the other alterations? :)
 
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Coelho said:
The cause is the pickup.

KBP4 + Any of 10 different pedals engaged = HUGE tone change.
Any of 10 other basses + any of these same high quality pedals = Not so big of a tone change.

I love the way the bass sound "pure" it is just weird that if I ever want any subtle effect to it, I will never be able to get it! (Again, not a big deal since I can use another bass...)
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wow.. strange.
 
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Vic said:
Sorry, have to ask...

10 pedals concurrently engaged and you can still tell the pickup's tone has been altered with all that other altering going on, or maybe even more importantly, that it's significant compared to the other alterations? :)
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hahaha
Any single one of 10 different pedals. Not all of them at the same time. :)

cable lenghts: 10ft. If it was due to cable lenght, it would affect the other basses as well.

One thing I didn't tried yet is doing the test with my wireless system... Should prevent the pickup load change when engaging the pedal right? Hmmm...
 
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peterpalmieri said:
Hey Joel are you going to make MItch's on Saturday?

Coelho as Ken said sounds like an impedance issue. Personally I'd stick with bass cable amp and a tuner in the dedicated tuner out if you have one on your amp. Passive circuits are much more vulnerable to impedance matching. I'd guess the bass doesn't need any of that fluff anyway.
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Pete I believe Joel is gonna be there from a PM Mitch sent me, Which Valenti are you bringing? I may bring one of the Valenti's along with the Sadowsky, but still on the fence about it since most will be bringing 5vers.
 
#735
peterpalmieri said:
Hey Joel are you going to make MItch's on Saturday?

Coelho as Ken said sounds like an impedance issue. Personally I'd stick with bass cable amp and a tuner in the dedicated tuner out if you have one on your amp. Passive circuits are much more vulnerable to impedance matching. I'd guess the bass doesn't need any of that fluff anyway.
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Pete

Is it this Saturday? If so, I unfortunately, can't. I'm actually moving on Saturday. I'm literally sitting at the closing right now...

Exciting and scary stuff.

I'm bummed though if it means I'll miss the GTG.

JC
 
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Hey Joel. Good luck with the move and the new bass. I hope you are not leaving town? I grew up there and to me it's one of the greatest places on earth. Hopefully your buying a bigger house with a larger room for your musical toys and maybe a little more closet space for the wife and the kids toys, but a bigger bass room should be on the top of the list!

When the weather warms up I'll follow Mitch's lead and host a GTG myself. Followed by a boat ride if there aren't to many of us.
 
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