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#65,021
Sadowsky said:
NECK DIVE
All Sadowsky straps are designed to eliminate neck dive. We include a 3” cotton strap with all of our basses.
Neck dive…..end of conversation
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I have three Sadowsky straps, 2 fancy leather ones and the 3" simple cotton strap. I ended up using the 3" Sadowksy cotton strap on ALL my basses. It's totally comfortable and packs up compact for travel. Prevents neck dive the best, as well. Love it.
 
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#65,026
Sadowsky said:
The first itineration of the RSD MetroExpress did not meet my standards. Two years ago we moved to a new factory and I have been very happy with the Sadowsky MetroExpress basses. We have been making continuous improvements for the last two years. They are also easy to upgrade. At the present time, I honestly think it is the best bass for the money on the market. I will be going to the factory myself in October.
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I had the first Metro Express, and honestly mine came alright. Now I have the newest batch and still I like the same way, including the improvements ( Roasted neck, easy access door for the controls ).
 
#65,027
Sadowsky said:
The Sadowsky Bridge does not look cheap.
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I really dislike the chrome springs/screws over the black finish. It made the bridge look cheap like a chinese "Alibaba" bridge, compared to the Sadowsky chrome version and other black bridges I was looking after.

Quality wise, I know it's a good stuff. But the visual wasn't up to the Sadowsky name, or the price. It's my opinion only.

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#65,029
Alessandro Cruz said:
I really dislike the chrome springs/screws over the black finish. It made the bridge look cheap like a chinese "Alibaba" bridge, compared to the Sadowsky chrome version and other black bridges I was looking after.

Quality wise, I know it's a good stuff. But the visual wasn't up to the Sadowsky name, or the price. It's my opinion only.

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This one, but the prce is different: Sadowsky/Hipshot - MasterBuilt and Custom Shop Quick Release Bridge, 19 mm, 5-String
 
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This might sound odd, but I actually like the ability to move my bass around on my shoulder as I play. I found those cotton straps to be actually too "grippy" for me, and I also didn't really like the plastic buckle in the middle. I swear by some old Levy's leather straps I've had for years. They're not too slippery or grippy and are well broken in, super comfy. I also generally try to specifically target basses in my collection that are between 8-9lbs, so that may make a difference too.

anyway, FWIW
 
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Alessandro Cruz said:
I really dislike the chrome springs/screws over the black finish. It made the bridge look cheap like a chinese "Alibaba" bridge, compared to the Sadowsky chrome version and other black bridges I was looking after.

Quality wise, I know it's a good stuff. But the visual wasn't up to the Sadowsky name, or the price. It's my opinion only.

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I'm betting the reason the adjustment parts are not black in this model is because the black on this product looks to me to be a powder coat, whereas the other Sadowsky bridges are some sort of metal finish like an anodization, which doesn't tend to bind in threaded situations like a powder coat would.
 
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#65,033
Stranger Danger said:
Well I just purchased the bass from Sweetwater

Everyone’s body habitus is different and experience things differently. I am not going to argue with you about it. I will say that I have had very different experiences with different basses (some FSO and some not). I have arthritis in my spine and have had multiple shoulder issues so I may be more sensitive than others.

I will also say this, although I understand your feelings and frustration, imagine yourself being a patient in a healthcare environment (my career for the last 28 years) and you ask about a concern that you have and I responded in the same manner that you did. Would you feel good about that interaction? Because that does happen. Much like this is your job and you may get tired of addressing the issue, similarly we also may get tired of answering the same questions but I have to remind myself and my staff that for the person asking the questions, it’s not their job and it’s not what they do everyday.

Just a thought. I love your work and I am super excited to get this new Sadowsky bass in my hands in a few days.
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I believe Roger was reflecting his general feelings about this common Q, as opposed to your particular concerns.

That said, in your case, you’ve got more or less two opposing challenges.

First, FSO designs with the upper strap attach at the 11th or 12th fret are about as ergonomic as can be practically constructed.

Taking that design as reference, variations in instrument body weight are the main variable. Heavier bodies will tend to make the instrument offset the neck “balance;” or Moment of Inertia, in engineering terms. But, that variation also comes with a cost of increased downward pressure on the human body; shoulder and spine. Decreasing the body mass reduces this downward pressure; but increases the torque on the shoulder to support the increased moment of inertia, or “neck dive.” It’s a trade off. You can’t have both without extending the upper instrument horn even further.

Roger’s point about the suede backed strap reducing neck dive is accurate; though, that ”solution” does not reduce torque on the shoulder. But, the reduced body weight DOES make the torque less impactful in relative terms.

Suede backed strap straps do work REALLY well. I have a small body Alembic bass, which surely has the worst neck dive I’ve ever encountered. The sound makes the battle worthwhile for me. The suede backed strap literally eliminates the neck dive, even with that quirky instrument. Though I pay the price of supporting the torque with the shoulder.

I don’t know of a general solution. Perhaps, one of the harness straps might eliminate both torque and weight issues for you?

Best of luck with your new instrument.
 
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Vic said:
This might sound odd, but I actually like the ability to move my bass around on my shoulder as I play. I found those cotton straps to be actually too "grippy" for me, and I also didn't really like the plastic buckle in the middle. I swear by some old Levy's leather straps I've had for years. They're not too slippery or grippy and are well broken in, super comfy. I also generally try to specifically target basses in my collection that are between 8-9lbs, so that may make a difference too.

anyway, FWIW
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+1 for me; with the exception of my NYC 4-24, which has a super light chambered body. The more slippery straps work; but, the suede backed strap keeps it right at playing position the best. (It is a Levy’s strap:facepalm:)
 
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Vic said:
This might sound odd, but I actually like the ability to move my bass around on my shoulder as I play. I found those cotton straps to be actually too "grippy" for me, and I also didn't really like the plastic buckle in the middle. I swear by some old Levy's leather straps I've had for years. They're not too slippery or grippy and are well broken in, super comfy. I also generally try to specifically target basses in my collection that are between 8-9lbs, so that may make a difference too.

anyway, FWIW
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Agree here. Now use 4 1/2" straps which help hugely reduce the shoulder fatigue
 
#65,036
MD Stingray: You have to make sure you get a jack cup with METRIC threads for the MetroLine. Jack Cup 22mm Black with Jack and screws.
Sadowsky said:
The Sadowsky Bridge does not look cheap.
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@Sadowsky - I am sorry but you got Talkbass member mixed up. That was somebody else inquiring about black hardware and the comment about the bridge, not me (MDStingray) -

I mean.. I very recently bought and you just shipped me a fantastic NYC 5-string, with a great bridge..
 
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Definitely not trying to compare. Currently live in Japan and wanted to see if I can find some Japanese made metro expresses at a decent price. Though searching it is hard weed through all the new Chinese Metro expresses. Wonder if there is a logo I should look for on the neck or model number etc.
 
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WarmToneWank said:
Definitely not trying to compare. Currently live in Japan and wanted to see if I can find some Japanese made metro expresses at a decent price. Though searching it is hard weed through all the new Chinese Metro expresses. Wonder if there is a logo I should look for on the neck or model number etc.
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i am selling my japan metroexpress 5er now i can ship international and i have very good reviews on reverb :)

https://reverb.com/en-gr/item/89419938-sadowsky-metroexpress-japan
 
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