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cmon have a bitch with me.

There's no "bitch" section so I thought I'd say this here till it gets moved.

Is anyone else completly disgusted that the majority of mankind today seem to only care about a "catchy melody" ? It ain't about the music no more. Musicianship means nothing. They jus keep on pumpin out the same ol nursery rhyme s@#%.

Since when are a catchy melody and musicianship in direct competition?

I think you're missing something there - some of the music people love the most is a bit more complicated than you might give it credit for being.

The catchiest song ever written - 'We are the champions' by Queen (scientifically proven, apparently, to be the catchiest song ever), has got a pretty awesome chord sequence - it's surprisingly complex for something so anthemic.

There's a principle called 'informed simplicity'

-simplicity, is the world view of the child or uninformed adult, fully engaged in his own experience and happily unaware of what lies beneath the surface of immediate reality.

-complexity, characterizes the ordinary adult world view. It is characterized by an awareness of complex system in nature and society but an inability to discern clarifyng patterns and connection.

-informed simplicity, is an enlightened view of reality. It is founded upon an ability to dicern or create clarifying patterns within complex mixtures.

Check out 'Claire de lune' by Debussy - wonderful catchy melody with right hand, incredible chords with left hand. There are so many examples, and people do LOVE them, but they wouldn't love them as much if the craft wasn't there. But catchiness in a melody is no bad thing in my opinion!
 
Yes but if only they were subjected to something decent long enough for it to become familiar perhaps things would be different.... Then again, who wants to be part of the majority..... I've changed my mind. : )

LOL but what you call decent another may not.
What is called popular music is the music of the time, and as time moves on so does music.
The benchmark for this is a relation to the national muisc charts.
Most peoples parents would have frowned on what their kids listened to, calling it everything from tunless to a racket (sound familier) but if it is your time you relate to it and the charts. We all move with the charts and can name acts and songs till there comes a point where we can't name the acts or the songs and really don't care much for the music.

That point of separation is a peer related one, in as much as those around you perceive you as old and from a previous generation.
Where are all your friends????
They are getting on with life and its challanges of work and maybe raising a family.
Where there used to be lots of you going out so the mind set and expectation was the same, it dwindles through time till there are none.
Nothing worse than being in a club and realizing you are the oldest person in there and your mind set is different from those around you....by a generation.LOL

Music changes in the charts, therefore the minds of the youth ( as it has the mass control of the market is has the biggest influence, here in the UK the Christmas no.1 will be who wins X Factor as the winner has had prime time TV all the way to promote them ).
The changes move in waves, approx every seven years the scene would have changed, but what we see now are business models to capatolize on the changes.
This is no different from years gone by, the term "jump on the band waggon" has a ring of truth to it, after all why play music that no-one is interested in listening to?

In the U.S and U.K the music markets are splintered, and these are seen as the 'original markets' of modern popular to certain areas of Western Culture because of the iconic artists they produced and continue to produce.
Certainly in France and Belgium, jazz figures big as a music genre on a night out.
Most music genres in Europe will figure in a night out or a festival but that is cultural rather than generational.
If i go to Nashville i expect country music, if i go to Chicago i expect Blues music etc this is not a generational thing from me it is a cultural one...whether it is stands true or not. After all if i go to New Orleans i should not really complain that there is a lack of Cockney sing-a-long nights.

Music in the past has a way of sorting itself out and being relvant to its market, nowadays clubs have 50s, 60s etc, disco, new romance, rock, punk, reggae, soul etc, so it will be for todays music, it will beome part of the past and have its own night.
But those controls of the market will still be in the same sort of hands ( i assume), trying to control whatever the current trend is, and feeding that audience to feed there own ends.

But melody and harmony are all around us in many forms, but i you are still going to base your observations on the charts then you are still being feed by those that contol it. So do as others do and go and "feed" yourself on new music from another source...after all new music is any music you have not heard...music is in that way timeless to the listner.
 
Fergie Fulton said:
But melody and harmony are all around us in many forms, but i you are still going to base your observations on the charts then you are still being feed by those that contol it. So do as others do and go and "feed" yourself on new music from another source...after all new music is any music you have not heard...music is in that way timeless to the listner.

I certainly dont "feed" on the charts. I have no problem finding music that interests me. Every once in a while though (sometimes by choice, sometimes because its throwen in my face) ill see what the top 40 is doin and it never ceases to horrify me.
 
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