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Double Bass Coffee

I do cold brew in the summer. It is great to have in the fridge for an iced Americano type thing or a Thai Iced coffee.

To me the outcome you get from an espresso machine and an aero press is very different. One has a filter and hot water with a albeit short infusion time. The other has not filter and uses steam. Like I say in there article flavor has a lot to do with acids and oils. These two processes yield a pretty different outcome IMHO.

A burr grinder is key for me. I just have a fairly inexpensive Cuisinart but I really makes a huge difference over blade grinders.

Intelligentsia is the bees knees for sure. It is pretty spendy though. The shops give you $2 off a bag plus a free cup on Tuesdays so I really only get it if I have a chance to go to a shop. There are a ton of great roasters out there that are a bit more reasonably priced.
 
Verve is great. I've had it in SC and they opened a couple bars up here. A bit pricey tho.

Question for you dudes.... I never tried Cold Brewed Coffee. Am I missing out?

Seems like a fad.

Yes, you are missing out :) To me, it is a very different flavor...better in a lot of ways. Try to buy a cold brew iced coffee somewhere, no cream or sugar. See what you think.
 
Count me in as a weekend Aeropress enthusiast (the auto drip dominates on workday mornings - thermal carafe, natch). Definitely one of the more useful coffee gadgets...relatively cheap, easy to clean, fun to use and makes a tasty, fast cup. Perfect for a quick refill while teaching Saturday morning bass students

In my town, we have an excellent independent roaster known as Wilson's Coffee and Tea. The roaster, Neal, really knows what he's doing, and they have a really nice variety of beans from far-flung regions roasted on-site. Plus, both my daughters work there as baristas, so I get the family discount. Extra-added plus, since they're so close and convenient, we can buy in small enough quantities so that we don't have to bother grinding...Wilson's industrial grinders do a much better job anyway.
 
CoffeeGeek is a good resource on learning that stuff. Essentially, burr grinders will give you finer control over your grind. The grind affects how much oils get released into your coffee along with how long and method in which the water gets exposed to the grounds. Generally speaking, too fine and your coffee is come out too strong, even bitter. To fine and the coffee will obviously be weak.

OTOH, your brewing technique will also change that. For me, when I use a Hario w/ paper filter, I use the same grind as I do with espresso. For brewed coffee this means it would generally be very strong but because the Hario runs water fairly quickly, it tends to balance out.

A good way to tell your barista sucks is if the shot they pull goes too long. The rule of thumb is that it's roughly about 30-35 seconds to pull a shot of espresso. That time changes depending on how hard the coffee was tamped (yet another variable) and how fine the grind is. Generally the pull goes from the stage of dark strong coffee to a point where it starts "blonding" and "tiger striping". The striping is when the coffee starts to create crema which can lend a really nice feel and flavor - but pull to long and you get the point where the whole shot becomes bitter. You really have to look at what's coming out because the tamp may be off or what not.

If you go to a starbucks or any crappy coffee place you can sit there, and without seeing the coffee come out, count how long they took to pull your shot. Often times they do it just to some sort of arbitrary fill line and goes way past that 30-35 second rule. At that point I have the urge to simply walk out. The second way to judge is to look at the mlik foam. You shouldn't see bubbles ideally and should be smooth like velvet. If you see big bubbles it's gonna be mediocre at best usually.

Yeah, I'm a snob. ;)
 
What he said. Couple that with the fact that when you use a blade grinder you'll get a very wide variety of coarseness in your grind. And yes, it also heats the grounds with friction.

To me certainly better to buy whole bean and use a blade grinder than to buy reground coffee but the burr grinder is a whole nut her level.
 
Yeah that's going to far for me too.

If you distill it down to one thing: the burr grinder can be used to optimize the grind to match your brewing method. Blade grinder is probalby going to give you inconsistent results, esp if you change beans often.

Oh yeah... beans. Even if you use a burr grinder, you're supposed to change the grind to match the beans. Another variable. Grinding at the store or shop is going to be a total crapshoot. I don't see why their grind settings wouldn't deviate either. They prob hope you won't notice.
 
Big coffee fan but I enjoy a wide variety of types of brew.

Mornings I put two measures of ground coffee in a mug and wet the grounds with some boiled water, let it sit half a minute, then top it up and let it sit until the grounds settle. I drink it with some toast or a croissant and then have a few top up espressos at work or from a café during the day. The beans I use at home are from a smallish semi-local producer that roasts at high altitude and whose coffee is widely available and sells well so it's always fresh. 250g bags here are always vacuum packed, so actually much fresher that most loose bean varieties that never made sense to me unless the coffee was recently roasted on premises.

It's a really good dark roast a bit shy of espresso, I guess closest to a French roast, as strong but really rounded and fresh tasting. People always comment when I serve it, which I make in a Bialetti stovetop coffee maker, those classic aluminum screw-together jobs. I have a bunch in different sizes as they only work well if you use the right amount of beans and water for each size.

French Switzerland has pretty good coffee almost everywhere, and virtually every restaurant, café, bar, or takeaway has an Italian espresso machine. More and more specialty cafés are opening these days and some roast their own beans and sell different makers.

I always drink it black, and only put sugar in an iced espresso that I'll drink on a hot afternoon. I've had cold brewed ice coffee, and yes it's mild and tasty but is lacking the acidity I really like. It is a nice way to have a cold coffee without sugar, though.

But then there's Italy. I've had all kinds of coffee in all kinds of countries, but absolutely nothing compares to virtually any espresso you can find anywhere in Italy. They tend to use only locally roasted beans and the machines and grinders are calibrated daily for temperature, barometric pressure, and type of coffee (larger cafés have multiple grinders with different settings for different length pulls), and everyone has the touch to make a decent cup or they are not allowed to touch the machine. It's uncanny and even the best made espressos outside the country don't measure up to the tiny two sip pinnacle of the art of coffee making that constitutes an real Italian espresso. I've given up expecting a real one anywhere else in the world.

Some of my favorites:

Indonesian 'collision' coffee made the same way I make my morning coffee

Vietnamese Café Pin made in tiny steel drip contraptions that fit over each cup, dripped very slowly into a glass containing sugar or condense milk. It's really exquisite and must be savoured.

Arabic and Turkish coffee, also strong and sweet, boiled three times and poured into tiny cups with the very fine grounds settling on the bottom.

Greek coffee,similar but with a milder roast and only boiled twice.

Greek Frappé, milky cold and sweet, perfect in the summer and what Starbucks should be selling instead of a dessert in a paper cup.

Swedish drip, medium strong and drunk by the mug or large coffee cup, all day. The smell of Sweden is the smell of drip coffee in various clean rooms.

Spanish coffee. Delightful in its multitude of varieties, from the length to the amount of milk, or lace with brandy. Unfortunately there has been a massive shift to darker Italian espresso brands in much of the country over the last decade.

Little known fact: coffee just before bed will help you fall asleep and sleep better, but only if you drink it no earlier than twenty minutes before going to bed. If you don't go to sleep right away, you won't for a long while.

Worst coffee? Often poor producing countries that export all the good stuff. Costa Rica was a pleasant surprise, percolated (!) for ages and served in huge mugs, it is so tasty and round and smooth at the same time it's uncanny. About the only mildly roasted coffee I've ever enjoyed.
 
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Yeah that's going to far for me too.

If you distill it down to one thing: the burr grinder can be used to optimize the grind to match your brewing method. Blade grinder is probalby going to give you inconsistent results, esp if you change beans often.

Oh yeah... beans. Even if you use a burr grinder, you're supposed to change the grind to match the beans. Another variable. Grinding at the store or shop is going to be a total crapshoot. I don't see why their grind settings wouldn't deviate either. They prob hope you won't notice.
The place where I get my coffee has travelling grinder guy who circulates between the stores checking and adjusting the two grinders at the bar and the other grinder for customer coffee. They are very consistent!
 
I have a little electric expresso maker that works great. I even use it for regular coffee. It makes about 11-12 ozs at a time. One thing I noticed that this guy does: He seems to tamp down the coffee in the basket. Is this SOP?

Tamping properly is the most important part of making a good espresso.

Is it normal to wash the unit before using it? I've never seen it done nor been trained to do so.