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common old school myths and legends

Is it true that there were (maybe still are) recording engineers that would refuse to record anything that wasn't a Fender?

YES!

In 1988
I brought my G&L2000E to a recording gig, and was asked to go out and get my Fender Precision. I did not have a Fender P....
We recorded the track anyway with my G&L. That worked out fine. The song was mastered including my G&L track.

Still the producer/engineer told me to bring a P next time.
They never called me again :crying:
 
We actually had to sit and listen to the record and pick up the needle (hang with me young people....) and move it back and start the song over and over in order to learn bass parts. There was no tab, no YouTube, no videos of how to play the songs..just had to listen and learn. Made it a little harder but more rewarding, I think.
Damn, when did I become an old-timer? Get off my lawn.
 
one of the worst things for me about the old days was i had to learn to play right handed cuz it was next to impossible to find a left handed bass and when you did it wouldnt be the model or brand you wanted and it would.
also for me anyway any time i tried to order a bass at a music store back then it took months to get it where as now it takes a couple of weeks at the most.
 
We actually had to sit and listen to the record and pick up the needle (hang with me young people....) and move it back and start the song over and over in order to learn bass parts. There was no tab, no YouTube, no videos of how to play the songs..just had to listen and learn. Made it a little harder but more rewarding, I think.
Damn, when did I become an old-timer? Get off my lawn.

I had forgotten about that, you could wear parts of a track out just learning it form vinyl. It was hard work but as you say very rewarding. You either got good at it or gave up trying.

Buying the sheet music was no good either as it was usually scored for piano so was in a different key to the record, probably by someone fresh out of music college. The chords for even simple songs were virtually impossible on guitar especially for someone just starting out.
 
one of the worst things for me about the old days was i had to learn to play right handed cuz it was next to impossible to find a left handed bass and when you did it wouldnt be the model or brand you wanted and it would.

I am normally left handed and never even knew that you could get left handed guitars back then. I just learned right handed. Never been a problem to me. :bassist:
 
We actually had to sit and listen to the record and pick up the needle (hang with me young people....) and move it back and start the song over and over in order to learn bass parts. There was no tab, no YouTube, no videos of how to play the songs..just had to listen and learn. Made it a little harder but more rewarding, I think.
Damn, when did I become an old-timer? Get off my lawn.


+1.
and i used to ditch school to learn hendrix, cream and zepplin songs by ear that way, instead of going to school and being taught them .
 
I am normally left handed and never even knew that you could get left handed guitars back then. I just learned right handed. Never been a problem to me. :bassist:

me too. it's funny, alot of people think Ringo is right handed because he plays drums that way.
and even more strange, i saw Jimi Hendrix signing autographs at a concert, and he was right handed.
 
You got taught Hendrix, Cream and Zep songs at school, wow. The most useful thing that I learned in music class was very basic, and I mean basic, harmony structure.

i didn't (i'm too old) but i had friends that later went to dick grove school of music and GIT/BIT that did.

the closest i came to something like that was i took a cassette recording (off of a record) of Mahavishnu orchestra's 'birds of fire' to my music class so they could 'analyze' and appreciate it. it blew my classical pianist teacher's mind, and she loved it.
 
me too. it's funny, alot of people think Ringo is right handed because he plays drums that way.
and even more strange, i saw Jimi Hendrix signing autographs at a concert, and he was right handed.
hendrix was rumored to have been ambidextrous on guitar and just played lefty because it looked cooler. i never saw him play righty, though.
 
Ok well back in the mid 90's when I was in high school, I also did not have Youtube or endless gear reviews. Also I didn't play bass, I played drums, however I did not have all the web reviews and If I couldn't find something at a local store, I never owned it. Example, I could have used those rubber pads you put on drums to play quietly. Today I would just get them online after reading a couple of reviews. :D
 
P-Bass was entry level, plain Jane, had only one pickup, cheaper to buy, felt like a guitar in your hands, for beginners.

Jazz Bass was for professionals who knew what they were doing. Slanted sleeker body, two pickups, snazzy design, all chromey, special little tone knob. Slimmer neck, more violin-like in feel.

Of course I went for the Jazz at the time and never looked back. Still can't play a P Bass and feel as comfortable.
Still play a Jazz and have both fretted and fretless.

Wish I still had my '67 though. Sold it for groceries way back when. Did the same with my Rick. (SMS - starving musician syndrome):crying::cool::D
 
one of the worst things for me about the old days was i had to learn to play right handed cuz it was next to impossible to find a left handed bass and when you did it wouldnt be the model or brand you wanted and it would.
also for me anyway any time i tried to order a bass at a music store back then it took months to get it where as now it takes a couple of weeks at the most.

:p What's funny is being left handed for years I never knew there were left handed guitars or did my parents. My first cheap acoustic in the 60's was a righty and I played it into the early 70's knowing nothing since I was the only one in my family that had any musicial interest of any kind (still Today)
One day I go to gig with some friends and the bass player has this backwards bass...a lefty! I tried to play it and could not since i was used to right handed playing. today thats how i still do it. You think seeing the Beatles I would of seen the lefty then...nope!

We also used to have to cancel practice if a guitar player broke more than one string. We had one music store a ways away, no money and even if we did had to ask a parent for a ride ...took a week :rolleyes:
 
one of the biggest differences I notice...

mid 80's.......one microphone into each L and R channels of a cassette deck, record live, and everyone does the before and after song silent "shhhh" thing........dub "tape-to-tape" recordings for friends.

2010.......digital recorder into a computer with editing software, master the live recording, post on internet.

umm; not everybody
I went from 2 Radio Shack Hi-Z PZM's into a Sony cassette deck with a compressor
My new rig; 2 Low-Z PZM's into tube mic pre's, compressor, to CD burner to record rehearsal and our current club demo

Love that live 2-track recording when there are decent players in the same room
 
A P bass with a Kustom 2-15" bass amp was heaven- the Jazz, right under it. Gibson and Gretch basses were sort of off the beaten path. Foreign builts were jokes- real trash. I had blond bassman amps and they were great up to about 10:00 VC- wise. The Dual Showman with a 15' was a little better, but the Kustom was it, for sound. I had Acoustic "W" cabinet rigs, both 360 and and the 400 series, both great for funk and soul, but huge. But they were no good on a small stage- if you stood too close to them, you had no idea what the sound was like in the room, and all you heard was mids- no bottom at all.

My well missed P bass 0852 was a chore to play- a log of a neck, kind of heavy, and really not as well made as today's Squires. Cranking out funk, especially early Tower of Power and James Brown, was a physical exercise. Noisy pick- up, dead spots in the neck, the volume consistency per string was uneven, depending on where on the neck I was playing, but you learned to work with it, 'cause, to me, nothing sounded better when the band was playing. That single coil sound was perfect.

The main difference is, back then, you could make a decent living playing music. Club owners would gladly pay for a horn band, and I played in several back then, one with four horns and a four piece rhythm section plus singer. And we made great money and worked a lot. Five day a week gigs were not hard to get, either, and sometimes you could go a whole summer in one club at five days a week. And still pack it in the fall. Playing a lot, live, made you a good musician.

And, playing the same 70 tunes over and over, made me find places I could improvise a bit on the parts, without upsetting the groove. And listen to the drummer and figure out how the rhythm section worked together and where we could stretch out as a unit. I basically learned how the drummer played - what his fills were, how he set himself up to do a fill and what to listen for when he was going to throw something that was not on the recording. Which was half the time, since we were pretty improvisational with the parts. We learned how to heat up the tunes, create textures, breakdowns, etc., the things that would excite the audience.

And it was about the music, not about the poses or the looks or the attitude- you had to be able to play.

Recording was with a flip top or direct through a tube limiter. And the sessions were mostly all at once- every body play it at the same time, and get it in no more than three takes. So you better know how to play the tune right or have the chops to knock it out quick. 8 track recording is when I started, and many studios I went to had their old Ampex fours still in use. Razor blade editing, and Masters cut on a lathe.
 
that's a very good myth. ;)

Are you saying it's true?

Because the 70's Fender's I've played didn't live up to the 70's Tokai I played. It may have just been that particular Tokai that was set up well, but by comparison I really wasn't impressed with the Fenders. But then I've only been really impressed by Fenders a couple of times.
 
We actually had to sit and listen to the record and pick up the needle (hang with me young people....) and move it back and start the song over and over in order to learn bass parts. There was no tab, no YouTube, no videos of how to play the songs..just had to listen and learn. Made it a little harder but more rewarding, I think.
Damn, when did I become an old-timer? Get off my lawn.

Yep. Used to make cassette tapes of the tunes I needed to learn. If we couldn't find a recording we just walked each other through the parts. I played Gimmie Gimmie Good Lovin' for a couple of years before hearing it on the radio for the first time.
 
Are you saying it's true?

Because the 70's Fender's I've played didn't live up to the 70's Tokai I played. It may have just been that particular Tokai that was set up well, but by comparison I really wasn't impressed with the Fenders. But then I've only been really impressed by Fenders a couple of times.
well then it was true...for you and that particular tokai. don't think i'd call it the rule.
 
Old school myths? Not really many, because there wasn't a way to spread the rumors... We didn't know who played bass on Motown/Tamla stuff, nor even Stax for the most part. I did know Duck Dunn's name well before I heard Jamerson's. The only real source of reliable information was Guitar Player Magazine later, and that was spotty. Lots of new British bass players talked about using "wire-wound" strings. The only round wounds in Central Illinois were Rotosound RS-66, and they were horribly expensive due to limited distribution. I recall seeing them sell for $40 around 1977.

So the popular myths to me are:

Brass nuts help your sustain

Roundwounds chew your frets so fast you shouldn't use them

Big speakers have more bass than small speakers, so 18" are better than 10"

A BadAss bridge is way better than the stock Fender bridge, even if you do have to route out the body so it'll fit, and then you can't reach the intonation screws.

You can't get that sound that the guy in Sly & The Family Stone gets without out multiple tracks. He even tells you that in the song "Sing A Simple Song" when he sings "I'm livin', lovin', overdubbin'" and then laughs.

All the session stuff is done by the same five guys, no matter where they recorded it.

It was always a Precision with flats through a B-15

Dick Clark had people playing live

John
 

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