No, it's a way to cause a singer to hurt their voice - and a sign that some soundmen are idiots that should be fired...
- georgestrings
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Compressor Question
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No, it's a way to cause a singer to hurt their voice - and a sign that some soundmen are idiots that should be fired...
- georgestrings
isn't there a middle ground though?You are WRONG and so are the people who taught you.We're not talking about a damned guitar rig, here. Pushing someone to sing loud is a quick way to injure their voice.
not to "trick" a normal singer into singing too loud, but to "coax" a timid singer to at least get close enough to the mic to get a decent level out front?
You are WRONG and so are the people who taught you.
we'll have to agree to disagree.
- Jan 27, 2010
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Often when a singer is too quiet or too far off mic it's because their vocal is too loud in the monitor. But this is something that should be discussed with the singer.
you're speculating, no singer has ever even mentioned the fact that we've turned their monitor down, let alone left a gig with an injured voice.
and to insinuate that my colleague is an idiot, really says more about you, than him.
what are your credentials as a live sound engineer?
I just want to know who and what I'm dealing with here.
What are YOUR credentials as a vocal instructor, or even a vocalist? I want to know what I am dealing with, beside a misinformed knob twister.
That you know of. Soreness the day after is normally when it becomes apparent, to me, that I've worked my voice too hard.
EDIT: I have to stress: It is NOT for you to push ANY singer EVER. You DO NOT know the limitations of their voice and cannot say what they should sound like OR how hard they should sing. YOUR job is to make the way they sing work in the mix. If your system has run out of headroom and isn't working for the show, you brought too little equipment for the job.
What are YOUR credentials as a vocal instructor, or even a vocalist? I want to know what I am dealing with, beside a misinformed knob twister.
I have no experience as a vocal instructor but some limited experience as a singer.
you still haven't answered my question and I'm not sure how vocal instruction factors into live sound techniques.
I'm not sure how "live sound techniques" factor into how hard or soft a person should sing.
Read the edit in my above post.
Are you? I have been singing for quite a long time, professionally, but no I am not.
You're absolutely clueless about singing. It's easy to see.
you really have nothing to bring to the table other than childish insults, I can't discuss anything technical related to live sound because it's beyond your scope.
this is the "Live Sound" forum, I really have to ask why you're even here?
clearly it's not to open your mind up and possibly learn something.
Actually, I wasn't only talking about him... To "fool" someone into singing harder by turning their monitor down without telling them is a dishonest, scumbag move - and definitely calls into question the skills and integrity of anyone who would advocate doing so...
You probably have no idea whether you have ever caused injury to a singer that way, because it's not like they would contact you days after a gig - it's definitely a lowdown move, and I would refuse to work with someone that pulled that kind of crap - at a minimum...
- georgestrings
What are yours???
What are YOUR credentials as a vocal instructor, or even a vocalist? I want to know what I am dealing with, beside a misinformed knob twister.
That you know of. Soreness the day after is normally when it becomes apparent, to me, that I've worked my voice too hard.
EDIT: I have to stress: It is NOT for you to push ANY singer EVER. You DO NOT know the limitations of their voice and cannot say what they should sound like OR how hard they should sing. YOUR job is to make the way they sing work in the mix. If your system has run out of headroom and isn't working for the show, you brought too little equipment for the job.
Spot on with every word...
- georgestrings
Well, by most of you guys standards, I am NOT a sound engineer. BUT, I am often a sound engineer, lol. Eh, lots of compliments, no one complains, largely I credit the gear.
Anyway, I am not picky when it comes to monitors and I have no issue staying on key even when I am having a hard time hearing myself sing, so my monitor has nothing on it.
My guitarist/singer and my drummer however NEED to hear themselves nice and clearly apparently. I have a dual 31 band and their monitors go through that.
If they say they need more in their monitors, I give it to them. Simple enough.
Anyway, I am not picky when it comes to monitors and I have no issue staying on key even when I am having a hard time hearing myself sing, so my monitor has nothing on it.
My guitarist/singer and my drummer however NEED to hear themselves nice and clearly apparently. I have a dual 31 band and their monitors go through that.
If they say they need more in their monitors, I give it to them. Simple enough.
Thanks for the hijack, anyway the compressor on the vocal group worked wonderfully yesterday with a number of lead singers. And to answer the original question a tiny bit of compression on the effects return after the effects worked well also...
Yeah I tried it with the compressor bypassed and that is probably just fine, but with about 1.5-1 ratio and the threshold set just a little behind the main vocal compressor it helped bring the vocal effects out of the mix a little also. Either way the extra compo channel is there, and I would rather have peace of mind that the effects channel is also protected from spikes.
I am not running a huge rig just 16 channels into a speaker processor into 2 K-10's and a SA 18" powered sub. I just want to control the peaks a little in the vocals. The guitars and bass pretty much stay within 2 levels on the meter. The drums are on their own compressor.
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