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Consignment sale fraud??

#82
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MVE said:
Did you get a receipt like contract when you left it with him?

Im sorry to sound harsh, but giving any instrument over about the 4-500 value rage to a ‘mom’n’pop’ consignment shop, that is two hours away from your house without any receipt, contact or minimum sale price sounds like a pretty dumb thing to do.

Again, Im sorry, and I hope the guy makes it right, but this should be an example to other people of something, not to do.
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I do have a contract , signed by both of us. I’m not complaining about the price drop, just about the fact that I haven’t seen the money after the sale.
 
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J Wilson said:
This is EXACTLY why you do deals with businesses like Gruhn Guitars, Norm's Rare Guitars, Carter Vintage, etc.:

First of all, a proper written appraisal from these types of long-time, well-established businesses that are essentially the authority for used string instruments sets a price range no one can argue with. May not like it, but if insurance companies trust them, you can to.

A '$9K' bass is either some vintage piece or a boutique piece.

Vintage can get dicey at the top of the market if the originality can be picked apart for as little as a changed cap or a couple wrong screws. It's a very fussy clientele with collectors, not something I'd care for.

'Boutique' basses ALWAYS take a big depreciation as their market value rarely lines up with the new selling price, because they're generally built over long build times by very small companies that have to recoup those costs, resulting in nosebleed MSRP's when new. Unfortunately, in the open market, once you scare off the true cognoscenti of a particular brand, to the market in general, 'fancy bass' doesn't often translate to anything near the original selling price when new. These small builders can't rely on economies of scale, nor big volume with low net profits, they have to make it back over a small number of sales.

I'm very sorry for your difficulties, and would think an attorney would be on speed-dial if this were me, and I hope it resolves to your satisfaction. These stories are not uncommon here on TB, and if it were me, a proven, well-established business with years of experience would be my first and only stop. Otherwise, there's too many ways to ride the train into the ditch.
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it was a vintage piece , and at 9k was actually a very reasonable price. I spoke with GHrun before leaving in consignment with the guy I chose to.

I was very anxious about shipping the bass To Norm or Gruhn as I “didn’t know him in person” /“wasn’t gonna watch him sign the contract”.

I guess I trusted my gut more than my common sense on this one. I’ve failed myself - as a (Former) quality engineer , you never trust your gut , you trust the system LOL!
 
#87
lfmn16 said:
+1

I've posted it before so I'll make it short. I had a friend that played a gig with a contract and the guy stiffed him so he took him to court. The guy actually showed up and the judge rules in my friend's favor. On the way out of court the guy says, "Screw you, I'm still not paying."

You can't get blood out of a stone. This whole idea that you just take someone to court and magically get your money is just a fantasy. Most of the time if you have to take them to court, you're not going to get it anyway.
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his business relies heavily on social media and internet sales. That’s the reason why one of my original options was to burn him on social media, Yelp, and BBB.
 
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Joe BassPlayer said:
Yeah. If he didn’t pay you the money (minus his commission) the I’d file a police report. Technically he stole from you. Not sure what state you’re in but anything over $500 is a felony in Georgia.
So sorry you’re in this predicament. So many dishonest people out there.
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I’m in Colorado. A relatively affluent area (High Rockies). I do have a contract , so I originally thought this qualifies as a breach of contract and not a felony ?


I’ll definitely be stopping by the sheriffs office on Monday to lay some foundation.
 
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elgranluis said:
his business relies heavily on social media and internet sales. That’s the reason why one of my original options was to burn him on social media, Yelp, and BBB.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't, but unless a lot of people burn him, it won't accomplish a thing. I'd suggest being very careful least YOU wind up getting sued by him for liable. The way our crazy court system works, it's not impossible.
 
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lfmn16 said:
I'm not saying you shouldn't, but unless a lot of people burn him, it won't accomplish a thing. I'd suggest being very careful least YOU wind up getting sued by him for liable. The way our crazy court system works, it's not impossible.
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It’s “libel”. A good example of why you should speak with a lawyer and not the internet.
 
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