yeah, over the past couple of months, i've been getting into stuff like the cure and the smiths. and i've heard that joy division is THE band of that sort. but...listening to the clips on amazon... it just doesn't sound good. ian curtis makes robert smith sound like morissey! i just...i just don't know what to make of it. maybe it's cuz i don't have an appreciation of vocalists who don't have a good voice? disappointing, because i really wanted to like it, too.