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Criminally loud concerts

I have been to a hundreds of concerts including some by bands who have been know to be loud, Black Sabbath. KISS, Motley Crue to name a few. By far, the loudest I have ever been to was Steel Panther at The Fonda Theater in Los Angeles last year. It was the only time I have ever worn earplugs and I still had no trouble hearing anything. They were finishing their last song as I as was leaving and when I got to the lobby, I removed my earplugs and immediately covered my ears with my hands. I could not believe how loud they were.
 
Deep Purple back in the 80s was so loud that I left during the keyboard solo to stuff my ears with TP.

That, however, was nothing compared to the 3 AC/DC concerts I've been to.
I credit those 3 shows (and my stupidity for failing to wear earplugs) with my minor hearing loss & not-so-minor tinnitus.
 
Wow, hadn't heard that band name in a while...(graduated high school in Huntington Beach in '81 for context)...think I saw these guys at the Cuckoos Nest on metal night ...LAF...could have been the Woodstock in Anaheim though...was there a bunch as well.
Lived in the farmhouse across the street from radio city and the Woodstock in 83
 
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I used to think I had an edge on life-long players/fans, in the hearing department, in that I didn't really start playing in serious bands until my 30s or following local performers until after that.

About 6 years ago, I saw a local act on Memorial Day Weekend, doing a farewell performance in a really special, unique venue. To get a good vantage point, I staked out a spot close to the group, which was REALLY close to a main. Wish I had thought more about that.

My hearing has been a little cottony every since. Sheesh. An airplane taking off would have been delicate by comparison.

This performance would have been terrific at 1/10th of the volume.

I mean, grow UP, everybody!
 
That real? I mean why stop at 10? :D

Seriously, first sound quality, then volume - otherwise it's not \m/ but :vomit:
Obviously I wasn't there, but that's what he said happened. Seeing how he told his company that he's doesn't want to work that cruise again I'd say there's something to it. ;)

Why stop at 10? I guess because it wasn't a Spinal Tap tour? ;) I think he said it was called something like 50000 Tons of Metal.

HA! That story cracked me up. I guess that's one way of getting what you want.
I totally agree that many shows, especially nowadays, are way too loud, and can cause harm to peoples' hearing. I remember when Motorhead played on the Tonight Show, they announced (on air, nonetheless) that there were earplugs under every seat for the audience to use. It's so easy to do; I have never experienced harmful effects of loud music while wearing earplugs. Rather than trying to legislate everything, how about we promote common sense?
I definitely agree with promoting common sense. But common sense on the part of all involved - concertgoers, bands, promoters, venues, etc. - would be wonderful. Like I said earlier, I like loud as much as anyone, but even back when I was young and stupid I realized there was a point where you just have to say "Enough!". So many times my ears rang and my head was pounding the day after a concert.

Someone a few pages back mentioned The Smithereens. I saw them in a small venue in Philly several years ago and holy crap were they loud! I've been to a lot of shows in that venue and never heard a band that loud there, so I suspect that was them. I'd give them another chance just because I really like them, but my wife has no interest in seeing them again after that experience. I also saw Living Colour in a small club before they broke and they were so loud we left. That was a shame because I really like them. Another insanely loud one that comes to mind was Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush opening for Rush. Rush sounded fine but Frank Marino was so off the charts loud you couldn't tell what they were playing. It was reduced to pure mush at that ridiculous volume level, which was made even worse by being in that kind of old basketball/hockey arena (The Spectrum in Philly).

On the other hand, I've seen plenty of large venue shows (10,000+) where there sound was excellent. I remember Kansas in their prime having AMAZING sound, plenty of volume and every voice and instrument perfectly mixed (yes, even in The Spectrum). Genesis and Yes have also had some great sound as well. I never saw them at their arena-playing peak, but I saw Foghat in a really small venue before Dave Peverett died. I was expecting them to be earbleedingly loud but was surprised at how good their sound was. I mentioned the drummer I play with in my previous post. I saw a Jeff Beck / ZZ Top show two years ago when he was doing FOH on that tour and he got me and my brother passes so we could sit at the board with him. The show was in a large outdoor amphitheater in Atlanta and that was one of the best outdoor sounds I've heard. It was also kind of cool when they played songs that we play and he'd pass me a set of headphones so I could hear Dusty solo'd and ask me if I could make my bass sound like that on those songs. :D
 
Robin Trower in a medium sized club. We shoved cigarette filters in our ears. He overpowered the PA and the rest of the band might as well had not shown up.
I recall a similar experience at a Robin Trower concert in '77 in Philly at the Spectrum. I smacked my brother for dragging me along to punish my ears! A year or so later I saw Hot Tuna at some basketball field house, not sure which one. Equally painful in volume!
 
The only concerts where I HAD to wear earplugs throughout were:

1) AC/DC, Brendan Byrne Arena, 1990 - just amazingly, unbelievably loud, and for absolutely no reason. Let's face it, Brian Johnson's diction is not the best anyway, but at that volume the vocals were absolutely indecipherable. And forget about the guitar solos. Just a big pile of noise.

2) three different John Entwistle solo shows (Bottom Line 1987; Tramps 1996; B.B. King's 2001). For small clubs, the man HAD to bring his Who stadium stage rig. And I, being the Ox fan that I am, had to get as close to the stage as possible. Even with plugs in, the bass thudded right into my chest with every note. No wonder by the end of his life, instead of saying "Who", he was saying "What?"
 
The best concert sound I've ever heard, bar none is Genesis. Everytime I saw them starting in 1982 (3x at the L.A. Forum '82, '84', and '86) the sound was just perfectly stellar. They cranked the right frequencies. To me, the real hearing damage comes when a band's live sound has a good amount of distortion in it.
My high water marks are Yes "Tales..." (1974 I think) tour and Dire Straits "Brothers In Arms" tour (1984). Both incredible sound (Yes was quad in a big arena and DS used Hafler holographic technology outdoors) and I didn't have great seats for either one.
 
Saw RHCP in Raleigh NC on saturday. Phenomenal show, except... it was too damn loud! Me and my friend were in the cheap seats as far back as you could possibly go, but I had to plug my ears at a few points it was so loud. The people who sat up front must've been in agony. I've been to a few arena shows before and they were never as loud as this.

My ears have been ringing slightly since then, definitely got some damage from that night. Worst thing is I had ear plugs, I just left them in the car.

My question is: how is this okay? I can't imagine whoever was responsible for the loudness would think "Yep... sounds good to me!" unless they already had some hearing damage themselves. Why does this happen, and how is there not a lawsuit frenzy over hearing damage due to concerts?


In arenas, aren't the huge speakers hung on the rafters high up and in the back... near the cheap seats?
Where where the speakers at this arena?
 
It's not okay but it's common practice. Most smaller venues are this way too. The band is so ^&$@%! loud you can't hold a conversation in the back of the room... FOH Engineers need to all go on strike until someone lets them turn things down. Excessive loudness is one of the primary reasons I don't go see live music if I'm not playing. And when I do I am always wearing ear plugs.
 
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It's not okay but it's common practice. Most smaller venues are this way too. The band is so ^&$@%! loud you can't hold a conversation in the back of the room... FOH Engineers need to all go on strike until someone lets them turn things down. Excessive loudness is one of the primary reasons I don't go see live music if I'm not playing. And when I do I am always wearing ear plugs.
Psst...you're not supposed to be able to hold a conversation. You're at a show not a knitting circle.
 
It's not just concerts. At every wedding I play the DJ (and probably the band too) is cranked up to an absurdly loud volume. It seems there's little education about the potential repercussions of loud volumes on people's hearing because everyone appears to just put up with it. There's this idea that for the party to really be pumping the volume has to be extremely loud, with as few changes in dynamics as possible.
Now, for a wedding, that is a little much. That is a social gathering where not everyone is going to be dancing. To be fair, the bride is running the show. If she wants it that loud, it is going to be that loud. If she doesn't, I don't know anyone with the stones to stand up to a bride on her wedding day.
 
I'm all for a concert being loud enough to sound live. But it can get ridiculous.

There was a blues guitarist who used to do larger clubs are here by the name of Gibb Droll. He had a smoking band with a Hammond organ player and everything. I used to go to his shows with -32dB earplugs in and it was still bothersome loud. I was one of only a few people in the room with plugs in. He had a Stevie Ray Vaughan type of tone and the high notes could weld steel.
I remember & still like The Gibb Droll Band...I have an album around here somewhere. Thanks for the reminder!

On topic-
My cousin still talks about an early '70s Concert in The Spectrum...the opening act: Captain Beyond.
He sez great show but his ears are still ringing.
 
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I think the worst I saw was Marilyn Manson at Brixton a few years back; it was probably the worst PA I've ever heard and they tried to compensate by turning it up.

That said, the only time I've actually been in pain was at this year's London Bass Show at Olympia (I forgot to take my ear plugs).
 
Now, for a wedding, that is a little much. That is a social gathering where not everyone is going to be dancing. To be fair, the bride is running the show. If she wants it that loud, it is going to be that loud. If she doesn't, I don't know anyone with the stones to stand up to a bride on her wedding day.
The DJ volume is generally very loud at the weddings I play - there really are few exceptions. The worst part for me is seeing small kids and toddlers at these things with no hearing protection.