Cross-Over (Crossover or Splitter) pedals

[lucas303]

I believe that should get you there. It is a cross-fade between the two sides, so it is duplicating the input.

Thanks.

Does anyone know of less expensive options to accomplish what I'm looking for?

 

[IronSpatula]

What I mean is a single pedal that can split a signal into two duplicate signals like an LS-2, and also split a signal into high and low frequencies like a crossover pedal. (Though I wouldn't need it to do both things at once...so it wouldn't need to simultaneously split the signal in both ways.)

Brimstone Ouroboros can do either of those at the flick of a switch. Another discontinued pedal, unfortunately.

There seem to be a lot of crossover/filter based loop pedals that didn't last long. Brimstone, Broughton... even the bLoop is currently out of production.

 

[DosiYanarchy]

I haven't tried one, but to me this thing looks like the ideal split/filter tool: BYTE HEAVEN SC-1 Singlecross Crossover Pedal
BYTE HEAVEN SC-1 Singlecross Crossover Pedal | BYTE HEAVEN | Reverb

I just ordered one of these.

I've been thinking about crossover pedals for a long time. Used to have an SFX X&M which was great. I had my eye on the KMA Tyler but it's just so big. The Singlecross seems perfect for me.

 

[sunbeast]

I just ordered one of these.

I've been thinking about crossover pedals for a long time. Used to have an SFX X&M which was great. I had my eye on the KMA Tyler but it's just so big. The Singlecross seems perfect for me.

I've got one of his Sugar Britches pedals that just has the high-freq effects loops, and it is definitely a great pedal! I've thought about trying to mod it to add insert loops for both bands, but instead finally just ordered one of the Schallteknik kits linked earlier in the thread. Looking forward to hopefully a smooth build and getting to mess around with all it's options!

 

[VolverseLoco]

Hey BurningSkies, you think like me sometimes. So before I even read this entire thread of yours, I wanted to do the same thing you started this thread about. I want to split the signal at certain frequency's, then do what I want to those 2 now split paths. I'm going to do it a little differently and see how it works. I like to fool around a lot with EQ, be it both parametric and regular. I want to apply surgical para metrics to the low side and regular EQ/effects to the high side. So I bought a Source Audio SA-270 EQ pedal, which is totally controlled by a computer/GUI and has 2 inputs and outputs for 2 independently controlled EQ's. I then bought a standard Boss LS-2 pedal. So I will run the bass into the LS-2 pedal, split out the bass guitar signal between the A and B sends/returns thus going to the 2 individual EQ's in the one EQ pedal. On the A side I will use just the para metrics of the one EQ section and modify and shape my 'low' clean tone of the bass only and cut off everything above a certain low frequency. I want to 'feel' my low side more than 'hear' it. Then on the B side I will use the other fully independent EQ channel in the EQ pedal and just use regular EQ to shape the mids and highs (and cut off the lows), then run that into whatever other effect I may want, maybe a chorus sometimes. My whole intention of all this mess was to keep all my amp knobs flat and keep all my bass guitar knobs flat and keep all my Two Notes LE Bass preamp knobs flat (the LE Bass just warms up the signal beautifully) and just see what I can get out of this cool brand new EQ pedal that's out. After i bought all this today, then I stumbled upon your thing here.

 

[AdamR]

Great thread. I need tovread through this entire thing tonight. In the mean time, (and maybe this was covered already) and way to process the mids while leaving the lows and highs clean ?

 

[monsterthompson]

Great thread. I need tovread through this entire thing tonight. In the mean time, (and maybe this was covered already) and way to process the mids while leaving the lows and highs clean ?

You might want a VFE Klein Bottle, which has 3 bands of sound. Another way would be with an Empress Zoia, where you can build the patches you want with the internal effects, or you can patch together a set of filters like the Klein Bottle and send the mids external, then route them back in (using one set of in/out jacks as an effects insert) for blending.

 

[BurningSkies]

Hey BurningSkies, you think like me sometimes. So before I even read this entire thread of yours, I wanted to do the same thing you started this thread about. I want to split the signal at certain frequency's, then do what I want to those 2 now split paths. I'm going to do it a little differently and see how it works. I like to fool around a lot with EQ, be it both parametric and regular. I want to apply surgical para metrics to the low side and regular EQ/effects to the high side. So I bought a Source Audio SA-270 EQ pedal, which is totally controlled by a computer/GUI and has 2 inputs and outputs for 2 independently controlled EQ's. I then bought a standard Boss LS-2 pedal. So I will run the bass into the LS-2 pedal, split out the bass guitar signal between the A and B sends/returns thus going to the 2 individual EQ's in the one EQ pedal. On the A side I will use just the para metrics of the one EQ section and modify and shape my 'low' clean tone of the bass only and cut off everything above a certain low frequency. I want to 'feel' my low side more than 'hear' it. Then on the B side I will use the other fully independent EQ channel in the EQ pedal and just use regular EQ to shape the mids and highs (and cut off the lows), then run that into whatever other effect I may want, maybe a chorus sometimes. My whole intention of all this mess was to keep all my amp knobs flat and keep all my bass guitar knobs flat and keep all my Two Notes LE Bass preamp knobs flat (the LE Bass just warms up the signal beautifully) and just see what I can get out of this cool brand new EQ pedal that's out. After i bought all this today, then I stumbled upon your thing here.

I'd check in the SA main thread. You may be able to use the EQ2 to split without needing the Boss. I gave a quick look at the manual, but it's not necessarily obvious...I'd think that you should be able to at the very least take one signal in and in split mode pass filter the splits in a way that would work as a crossover pedal. That would be the 'slick' way to do things because as it's MIDI programmable, you could adjust the split placement or use depending upon what sound you're doing. Seems like Roger would have thought this usage through. I've used the 2-channels on my AS similarly.

 

[VolverseLoco]

You might want a VFE Klein Bottle, which has 3 bands of sound. Another way would be with an Empress Zoia, where you can build the patches you want with the internal effects, or you can patch together a set of filters like the Klein Bottle and send the mids external, then route them back in (using one set of in/out jacks as an effects insert) for blending.
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The Klein Bottle is SOLD OUT, and no more will be built. That's what it says on the guys site.Too bad, this thing looks very usefull.

 

[monsterthompson]

The Klein Bottle is SOLD OUT, and no more will be built. That's what it says on the guys site.Too bad, this thing looks very usefull.

Yeah. Wishful thinking a used one might pop up.

 

[IronSpatula]

The Klein Bottle is SOLD OUT, and no more will be built. That's what it says on the guys site.Too bad, this thing looks very usefull.

There's an authorized Klein Bottle kit available elsewhere I think. Sounds like quite a project though! If you're not not up for building one yourself you could have a small builder do it for you. In fact I once *accidentally* got a VFE Triumvirate that was third party built because it said "VFE" on the board. It works just fine but the paint job is questionable.

I do see a Klein Bottle come up on Reverb occasionally, but they tend to sell quickly for several hundred dollars.

 

[VolverseLoco]

I'd check in the SA main thread. You may be able to use the EQ2 to split without needing the Boss. I gave a quick look at the manual, but it's not necessarily obvious...I'd think that you should be able to at the very least take one signal in and in split mode pass filter the splits in a way that would work as a crossover pedal. That would be the 'slick' way to do things because as it's MIDI programmable, you could adjust the split placement or use depending upon what sound you're doing. Seems like Roger would have thought this usage through. I've used the 2-channels on my AS similarly.

I don't have the EQ pedal yet to see if what you suggest is possible. I guess it's 'fairly' new? All the videos I watched on it are of just annoying guitar players banging out clean chords while moving the 'sliders' on the pedal itself. There was one 'technical' video about it where the guy spent 3/4 of the time explaining the pedal adjustments on the pedal itself (probably for those clean chord banging guitarists) and the other 1/4 of his time actually in the GUI/editor for us tech nuts..but I think more can be done this way other than what he touched on, like maybe what you say.

 

[BurningSkies]

I don't have the EQ pedal yet to see if what you suggest is possible. I guess it's 'fairly' new? All the videos I watched on it are of just annoying guitar players banging out clean chords while moving the 'sliders' on the pedal itself. There was one 'technical' video about it where the guy spent 3/4 of the time explaining the pedal adjustments on the pedal itself (probably for those clean chord banging guitarists) and the other 1/4 of his time actually in the GUI/editor for us tech nuts..but I think more can be done this way other than what he touched on, like maybe what you say.

I'm talking to Roger & SA about it to see what they think. They're adding LPF'ing abilities to the newest firmware anyway. It would still take something to sum to a single signal at the end of the split but it might be workable. I do note that the HPF lists 80hz, which is a bit lower than I'd want for some applications, but that of course could be subject to change too.

 

[VolverseLoco]

I'm talking to Roger & SA about it to see what they think. They're adding LPF'ing abilities to the newest firmware anyway. It would still take something to sum to a single signal at the end of the split but it might be workable. I do note that the HPF lists 80hz, which is a bit lower than I'd want for some applications, but that of course could be subject to change too.

You know those guys? Yes, I'd really be interested to hear what you find/found out. This pedal of theirs looks like a definite 'keeper' for me.

 

[sunbeast]

You know those guys? Yes, I'd really be interested to hear what you find/found out. This pedal of theirs looks like a definite 'keeper' for me.

They are super active/responsive on TB forum and TGP if you ever have questions: Source Audio EQ2

 

[monsterthompson]

Great thread. I need tovread through this entire thing tonight. In the mean time, (and maybe this was covered already) and way to process the mids while leaving the lows and highs clean ?

Another option might be something like a Boss Line Splitter or something like this blender from OBNE.
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Then in one channel you place a band-pass (not a common effect) or EQ pedal set to "isolate" or emphasize the mids before sending them to other effects.

 

[Peaveylover]

I have this one and it's very useful.
cross-mix

 

[BurningSkies]

I have this one and it's very useful.
cross-mix

Yep. John made me one of these too. It simple and good. It also has the distinction of being able to apply stuff to the LP side of the filter as well. Many only give you that option on the HP side.

 

[Zbysek]

This thread has been silent for one year now. How is everybody using their crossovers? Is there anything new on the market?

 

[JES]

I tried out an X&M. Really well made but in the end I found I didn't like the sounds I was getting better than with other approaches.