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Double Bass DB String haters thread

As Nathan points out, the "Low G" I am referring to is the second lowest string on a 5ths tuned bass. I decided to use "Low G" to differentiate from a "High G" or "Normal G" for 4ths tuning. I was not aware that Velvet had discontinued their 5ths set, which is a shame. It was a great set, and one of very few options for 5ths players.

Unfortunately Gensslers are out of the budget for a lot of us, the Obligatos are just as (un)popular among 5ths players, Eudoxas are expensive and gut isn't for everyone, which leaves Spiros. The Spiros are usually shipped in sets, and a lot of distributors/shops (at least here in Canada) are very reluctant to break the set.

Solo F# strings tuned up work for some bassists/basses, but really don't for a lot of us. This has been explained by people saying it was designed to be a bottom string, so the gauge is wrong. Solo strings are usually higher tension as well, so the increased tension of tuning it up chokes the bass. Some players have attempted taking a higher tension 4ths A and tuning it down, but that usually leads to more tension problems, because we are trying to get a string to do something it was not designed to do.

On the positive side of things, significantly fewer bassists in 5ths experience problems with solo A strings, or 5 string low C/B strings, and it has reached a point where more strings are offered in solo and 5 string sets than not. This means that we are one string away from a huge variety of 5ths sets. Better yet, with Thomastik making the Red Mitchell Spirocores and Pirastro making the Eudoxas and Obligatos, those companies (which account for most of the string options) already make a 5ths tuning G for a different set. So it really shouldn't be much of a stretch to make them in the rest of their offerings.

I currently play Red Mitchell Spirocore C and G, with Permanents on top. A lot of 4ths players mix a low Spirocore with just about anything on top, as well, and they are a great string. They are sometimes unforgiving, but pretty good under the bow, and a good crossover/pizz string as well. Just like 4ths, Spirocores aren't for everyone. It would be nice to have more options.
 
They don't compare to Oblis. The Evahs had tone (which was too dark and blunt for me, and I love gut) and didn't roll. They did poop out easily when pizzed hard and were generally bland. I really tried to like them, but I just didn't. I'm in agreement with Ken Smith on the Holy Triumvirate of bass strings...Spiros, Flexocor (Deluxe) and gut. Everything else pales by comparison, at least for how I play.
 
They don't compare to Oblis. The Evahs had tone (which was too dark and blunt for me, and I love gut) and didn't roll. They did poop out easily when pizzed hard and were generally bland. I really tried to like them, but I just didn't. I'm in agreement with Ken Smith on the Holy Triumvirate of bass strings...Spiros, Flexocor (Deluxe) and gut. Everything else pales by comparison, at least for how I play.

Thanks for the info. I've been using Obligatos, but I just ordered a set of Evahs, so I'll find out. For the most part, I like the Obligatos, but I do find it interesting that so many don't. One of my friends just changed to Zyex and raved about them, but I didn't care for them, a bit too modern for my taste.
 
Interesting thread but..."hate" seems a bit too strong with regard to most bass strings.
Every string will find bass that it will work on. Some more than others. So if it sounds bad on one person's bass it may not sound bad on another. Most of us place a caveat when we discuss strings eg: "on my bass". Doesn't mean the string is bad though.
Where a string can draw ire in my book is when it has a history of either a short life (eg Obligato)...or breakage (eg older D'Addario's, Dominants or Pirastro Oliv G's or Pizzicato's which can unravel, especially in the winter).
 
Interesting thread but..."hate" seems a bit too strong with regard to most bass strings.
Every string will find bass that it will work on. Some more than others. So if it sounds bad on one person's bass it may not sound bad on another. Most of us place a caveat when we discuss strings eg: "on my bass". Doesn't mean the string is bad though.
Where a string can draw ire in my book is when it has a history of either a short life (eg Obligato)...or breakage (eg older D'Addario's, Dominants or Pirastro Oliv G's or Pizzicato's which can unravel, especially in the winter).

I think that you've raised a good point as a caveat to this thread. Most strings are "fine", and can work on anyone's bass depending on their taste.

However, i think you've missed the point of the thread: This is a place to gripe about the bad experiences we've had with strings in a congenial environment without people trying to "change our opinions". I wouldn't go so far a to call it a "circlej*rk", but sometimes it's just nice to complain about things and have people go "Yeah man, me too" and not just "well, YMMV but i love that".

all the views here will be one-sided, of course, and I suppose that should be a warning on the door, but I don't think we're being malicious here.


Cheers mate, Missing Canada right now.

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And, face it, sometimes all the YMMV, IMO, etc. stands in the way for som real catharsic ranting. I mean, we're alltogether NICE REASONABLE PEOPLE almost all the time- we should allow a little grumpyness now and then, knowing perfectly well that our aim is NOT some player loving string X, but instead string X itself and its ability to make us hate it.

That said, I too am of the opinion that Obligatos are appalling, pointless noodle strings. The emptiness they'd leave behind if they completely disappeared from the face of the earth seems desireable, actually.

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One of my basses is a beat-up German roundback from around 1900 that's really weird about strings. It loves Velvets. It loves Original Flatchrom. It hates Chordas and it hates Obligatos like God hates sin. So do my other basses. The Oblis just don't make any sound.

It manifests itself like a hard-knee compressor or a limiter. If you pluck the strings gently, they sorta speak. If you play stridently, or RIP INTO THEM like I do for effect, you get nothing extra.
 
Every bass is different, I dislike obligato d and g on every bass but my upton ply, they seem to be the best strings for it, they have also lasted a very long time at around 3 years now.

I have tried all the heliocore strings and have liked all at different times on other players basses just not mine.

I hated full set spiros on most of my basses up until last year and cannot get enough of them on some friends basses.

The only strings I think that I have never liked have been dominants.
 
And, face it, sometimes all the YMMV, IMO, etc. stands in the way for som real catharsic ranting. I mean, we're alltogether NICE REASONABLE PEOPLE almost all the time- we should allow a little grumpyness now and then, knowing perfectly well that our aim is NOT some player loving string X, but instead string X itself and its ability to make us hate it.

That said, I too am of the opinion that Obligatos are appalling, pointless noodle strings. The emptiness they'd leave behind if they completely disappeared from the face of the earth seems desireable, actually.

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sidecar

Well said! :D
 
I've got Obli D and G on my bass, a carved roundback with 41" mensure. I haven't experienced a loss of dynamics, and I play pretty hard.

I'll have to think about what could cause the observed effect. A change of tension when you pull harder? That would change the pitch.

I'm guessing it's a horses-for-courses thing. I had Spiro Mitts on there for a while, the tone was similar, they weren't any louder, were nasty under the bow, and hurt my hands when playing pizz. I've read enough injury stories to know that surviving this thing is more important than searching for the perfect tone.

On the other hand, the Obli E and A had the noticeable "rolling," and the Spiro's weren't causing any problems, so I'm now back to Obli D and G with Spiro E and A. I figure, leaving the Spiro's on there forever means only replacing half the strings when they wear out.
 
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Let me remind everyone what this title of this thread is about. Cut the crap.

If you ain't hating on a string, you ain't doing it right.

But, you know, thinking about this, I'd like to read WHY you don't like the string, what kind of music you play, and what kind of tone you're looking for. Then I can assess whether your goals match mine and know to steer away from, or to, the string.
Gotta say, so far, I'm happy with my Obligatos. No breakage, and I'm looking for less sustain, more of a traditional sound with good arco. Got no complaints about rolling or digging in. Oops, sorry Huy! Last non-hating post, promise!
 
I dislike the FEEL of metal strings, I love gut and synthetic!!!
I just played a bass at Upton for about 20 minutes which was strung with Zyex and my hand hurts! I haven't played metal strings on an upright in at least 4 months.
Mind you, I love the SOUND of metal strings- the tension is no fun tho.
Zyex are synthetic strings, made of ...Zyex. One of the best and relatively easy to play, IMO.