I gave my settings. I use a low stage volume. very low. The 57 mixed with a di is a very nice sound for the svt.
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dear sound guy, thanks. (di box content)
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I gave my settings. I use a low stage volume. very low. The 57 mixed with a di is a very nice sound for the svt.
Says you. But I and many others will disagree with this point.
Like I said lets di the drums, and why dont you also tell me what strings and pups to use.
Sorry, but yes it does. I've done enough recordings with them to know that yes, it does have a whole lot to do with your natural amp tone. Also, while I probably agree that there was enough amp sound coming off the stage (honestly, we don't realize how loud we are sometimes...I often do large theaters with a B-15 and stage volume and we're not exactly quiet), I find soundmen are way too uptight about bleed. A little bleed never negatively affected a mix. And if it's too much bleed, just take it out of the PA and remember that you're probably getting way more money than they are
If he didnt have an extra channel id say fine, but i asked him before hand and he said he could do the blend... thats why im annoyed because he just said it to shut me up thinking i was just another uniformed bassist.
And the bar wasnt a dive bar, very nice place with a very nice system
That could be the case, but he did no level checks at all so there would be now way for him to know that. secondly im pissed because he lied to me. he said he would do the blend but then didnt.
Sorry, but yes it does. I've done enough recordings with them to know that yes, it does have a whole lot to do with your natural amp tone. Also, while I probably agree that there was enough amp sound coming off the stage (honestly, we don't realize how loud we are sometimes...I often do large theaters with a B-15 and stage volume and we're not exactly quiet), I find soundmen are way too uptight about bleed. A little bleed never negatively affected a mix. And if it's too much bleed, just take it out of the PA and remember that you're probably getting way more money than they are
Spank very much jimmy, wheres BONNER when i need him as well haha
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Is there any other kind?
I love situations where that attitude rears its' head.
Me: "Hey what's that chord at measure 5?"
Keys: "Um, it's a D"
Me: "That's not a D major chord"
Keys: "No, you just play a D"
Me: "WHAT IS THE CHORD YOU ARE PLAYING?"
Keys: (looks at keyboard, typically) "Umm....I'm playing a G minor, but you just play the D"
Me:
Me again: "So the chord is G minor over D..."
Keys: "Well, that's what I'm playing but you just play the D"
Why don't I just play a fill on that measure using a D major tonality...after all, he just said it's "D"
LOLIs there any other kind?
I love situations where that attitude rears its' head.
Me: "Hey what's that chord at measure 5?"
Keys: "Um, it's a D"
Me: "That's not a D major chord"
Keys: "No, you just play a D"
Me: "WHAT IS THE CHORD YOU ARE PLAYING?"
Keys: (looks at keyboard, typically) "Umm....I'm playing a G minor, but you just play the D"
Me:
Me again: "So the chord is G minor over D..."
Keys: "Well, that's what I'm playing but you just play the D"
Why don't I just play a fill on that measure using a D major tonality...after all, he just said it's "D"
yeah and bassists dont play chords either
Trent, this is why having a speaker DI and a VT is the cat's ass. Between the speaker DI and/or the VT, I'm getting what I want in the PA regardless of what the soundman does to sabotage me.
A speaker di is like the redbox or the countryman you use right? aka it mimics my 10 inch.
So i think the logical thing to do is this tell me what you think.
For the no pa support gigs, I bring the "big boy"
For the pa supported bring in a micro vr stack to save my back and then the vt?
Im guessing that's similar to what you did with the mark bass?
The Countryman doesn't mimic it. It's a full range DI. The Red Box does, but the Countryman sounds a lot better on bass, while I've found the Red Box is pretty guitar-specific. But it does take the sound of the SVT's tubes and output transformer and run it to the PA.
When I was running the Markbass combo, I was bringing only it for everything for a while, and once in a while with a B-15 cab. But now that my SVT's working again, I bring it for most gigs, whether stage volume or with PA, because I like the sound. I think you could use a Micro VR on your PA gigs, but just remember that you have to like the sound of your rig, too.
When I was running the Markbass combo, I was bringing only it for everything for a while, and once in a while with a B-15 cab. But now that my SVT's working again, I bring it for most gigs, whether stage volume or with PA, because I like the sound. I think you could use a Micro VR on your PA gigs, but just remember that you have to like the sound of your rig, too.
Out of curiosity, what was the capacity of the room you were playing that night???
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so you actually had your own mic ready to go? if so, and if it was a decent mic capable of capturing the low end, then yeah, that's pretty douche-y on the soundman's part. (as well as self-defeating, as a good SVT into the right mic is a thing of beauty.)
i do a lot of small-club sound, and at my current semi-regular house gig, there's no extra kick drum or floor tom mic to use as a dedicated "bass mic", so i routinely go direct from the bass rigs. even so, i always try to get my signal from the amp's direct out, preamp out, or effects send, so that at least some of the bassist's amp tone makes it into the PA. (if his amp tone is so bad that i can't fix it, necessitating a DI box right off the bass and the resulting dry, bland sound, then the band likely has bigger problems anyway
)now when i play bass, it's a sansamp right into the PA, and also feeding whatever power amp and cabinets i scrape up. "my" tone always makes it to the PA, cause that's the only thing the soundman will get from me.
someone else wisely pointed out that our goal as bass players (as players of any "electric" instrument, really) should be to do whatever it takes to create a tone that works in the house, and be able to put it into an XLR cable. whether that's a direct out that actually sounds like we want, or a rig mic'ed with our own (proper) mic, we should be able to say to the soundman, "all i need from you is a mic cable."
so you actually had your own mic ready to go? if so, and if it was a decent mic capable of capturing the low end, then yeah, that's pretty douche-y on the soundman's part. (as well as self-defeating, as a good SVT into the right mic is a thing of beauty.)
i do a lot of small-club sound, and at my current semi-regular house gig, there's no extra kick drum or floor tom mic to use as a dedicated "bass mic", so i routinely go direct from the bass rigs. even so, i always try to get my signal from the amp's direct out, preamp out, or effects send, so that at least some of the bassist's amp tone makes it into the PA. (if his amp tone is so bad that i can't fix it, necessitating a DI box right off the bass and the resulting dry, bland sound, then the band likely has bigger problems anyway
now when i play bass, it's a sansamp right into the PA, and also feeding whatever power amp and cabinets i scrape up. "my" tone always makes it to the PA, cause that's the only thing the soundman will get from me.
someone else wisely pointed out that our goal as bass players (as players of any "electric" instrument, really) should be to do whatever it takes to create a tone that works in the house, and be able to put it into an XLR cable. whether that's a direct out that actually sounds like we want, or a rig mic'ed with our own (proper) mic, we should be able to say to the soundman, "all i need from you is a mic cable."
I mean I was only using an sm57 but that was why i asked the bland. So in that case what mic would you recommend. for this application
It was so small that we were all wondering why we were being miced. they didnt need to pa everything.
yeah, a 57 will get you "OK", but not "great".
like i said, you want big fat mics made for kick drum, or at least floor toms, that will have the low end. something like the audix D6 or D4, shure beta 52, things like that. i have an old atm25 that i used to use to mic bass rigs in punk rock bars with no time for set changes, and it worked great. (man, i may have to go dig it up and start using it again!)
Then don't you think the tantrum you threw in the OP is a bit much??? Was that your 1st gig or something???
Maybe, just maybe you weren't quite as quiet as *you think* in a tiny room - and he didn't even have you running through the PA - BUT, he ran a DI'd signal just in case your amp went boobies up, so that he'd still be able to save your sorry ass and run some bass through the PA *if needed*...
You're running an SVT and 810 in a small room, and pitching a hissy fit because you weren't miced, but was DI'd instead???!!! Any idea just how amateurish that makes you look???
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Dang, that was a little intense!
But I'm starting to feel the same way...sounds you were loud enough to carry the room as is and he took you out.
But I'm starting to feel the same way...sounds you were loud enough to carry the room as is and he took you out.
Then why get so bent? Sounds like the guy told a little white lie to prevent a long & drawn out conversation that wouldn't improve the sound or your performance in the least. Professionalism is never optional, but if I saw a guy roll in with an SVT over an 8x10 in a small room, I woudn't take his FOH advice too seriously. I would be respectul and professional, but I sure wouldn't do as he asked merely because he asked for it.
My comment about the mic on the 10" was not meant to downplay the usefulness of a mic on a cab - it is in fact my strong preference to rely mainly upon the microphone whenever practical. What I was trying to point out was that the miced signal in that case doesn't really represent what those cabs do in space, and that it's not as important as one might think given how much that rig can fill a room without even trying.
The FOH guy was probably just trying to get some definition happening through the mains. I believe you when you say you weren't blaringly loud, but even barely working, that rig puts out a lot of sound into a small room.
I learned a long time ago to learn what works in a given situation (or at least listen to those who know) and just do it rather than get too emotionally attached to "my way".
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