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Deep philosophical question

#85
S-Bigbottom said:
Whether you are aware of it or not, the fear of death is from the loss of the future, not the death itself.
Your fear is, how will your family be without you. Your kids without a Father, Wife without a Husband, for example.
Also the life you are looking forward too is gone. Like being there when you kids get Married and have kids. The life after retirement you have been planning. Instead is The final goodbye.
It is the fear of not being around for others, and you not being around for what you are looking forward to.
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Last autumn, as I was hearing the words "prostate cancer" for the first time, ALL I could seem to think about was how overwhelmingly Sad it would be if I turned out to be 'only a story' to my grand daughters. The oldest was 4.
The rest of my family was a close second, but the idea of my 20 year old grand babies Only ever knowing me through stories told 'round the camp fire was Crushing.
(Don't stress...stuff gonna be ok, now... :thumbsup:)
 
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#86
bluesblaster said:
the big wheel just keeps turnin around, enjoy the ride
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#89
I'm not going to read all of this... pointless.

After 63 years I can tell you one thing for sure. You'll never really know til you get there and if you obsess over this, you'll become vulnerable to all kinds of people from religious to new age and everything in between. Worry about what you're going to do with tomorrow. Worry that you're connecting with the people in your life. Have some fun if you can.
 
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#94
BboogieXVII said:
Is pain without death preferable to pain and then death? I quoted you (Gorn) saying that you were afraid of a painful death, so I thought hey what about pain with just more pain?
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Um....I don't know really. Are you talking about endless pain and immortality? What degree of pain? A sore baby toe kind of pain? A scrotum in a vice kind of pain? Just pain and no death ever? Pain and death later?
 
#95
Gorn said:
Um....I don't know really. Are you talking about endless pain and immortality? What degree of pain? A sore baby toe kind of pain? A scrotum in a vice kind of pain? Just pain and no death ever? Pain and death later?
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Ok, I could get gruesome without trying to so I'll just say that it's really bad pain, horrible awful unrelenting pain that lasts about 37 years and then you pass on. Would it be preferable to live through it or pass on earlier?

To address the OP, personally I think I fear the frailness and pain associated with growing old and finally slipping away.

A lot of people look forward to passing away after they've reached a certain threshold of misery. Thankfully this doesn't happen to everyone and doesn't have to really.
 
#96
BboogieXVII said:
Ok, I could get gruesome without trying to so I'll just say that it's really bad pain, horrible awful unrelenting pain that lasts about 37 years and then you pass on. Would it be preferable to live through it or pass on earlier?

To address the OP, personally I think I fear the frailness and pain associated with growing old and finally slipping away.

A lot of people look forward to passing away after they've reached a certain threshold of misery. Thankfully this doesn't happen to everyone and doesn't have to really.
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I think you overanalyzed my post. I don't fear the state of death because all it is, in my opinion, is non existence. I fear a painful death. I'd prefer a painless one. I wouldn't want 37 years of pain as an alternative to dying at the time.
 
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#97
neo 7 said:
Assuming that we're all trying to fill a void in our lives.

Death is a part of life.

Is death the void in life we are trying to fill?

If so, why are we so afraid of death?
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There's an excellent book called The Denial of Death that provides an interesting perspective. Basically, the non-religious among us are pretty convinced we're going to simply be dead when we die, so we do things to create a legacy (our "immortality projects") as a way to psychologically overcome death and grant more meaning to our life.
 
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#98
Gorn said:
I think you overanalyzed my post. I don't fear the state of death because all it is, in my opinion, is non existence. I fear a painful death. I'd prefer a painless one. I wouldn't want 37 years of pain as an alternative to dying at the time.
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I think you're making an association between pain and death that may not exist. You can have pain w/o death and death w/o pain, so why make the association? I'd prefer no pain under any circumstances.
 
#99
My fear isn't of death itself, but the lead-in to death and my possible loss of control over events. There won't be anyone to take care of me except whoever I can afford to hire for that purpose, assuming I can afford that and that I'll still be able to make such decisions. I would rather be dead than institutionalized against my will in some kind of nursing home hell hole. I worry about dementia and crapping myself and forgetting to pay bills.

We go out as we came in: Helpless children. The 2nd iteration of that cycle is what I'd like to bypass.
 
#100
D M C said:
I think you're making an association between pain and death that may not exist. You can have pain w/o death and death w/o pain, so why make the association? I'd prefer no pain under any circumstances.
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Yes, but I responded to the original post by saying I don't fear death but I fear dying painfully. That's the fear. I don't fear dying not painfully.
 

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