Did I just screw myself up?

[GrowlerBox]

The only reason I asked this was because of the response I received from Loud Tech Inc. whereas I would considerably be "underpowering" the cabinets despite the 4 PRO specs they were provided with. They did not give me a scenario where if I hooked up both cabs using the mono-bridged feature would supply enough power to destroy the speakers.

You can destroy almost any speaker with almost any amp if you try. You're in no special danger of doing that, but just be aware that the reported thermal rating of cabs ("power handling") only tells you the power at which the voice coils will overheat and be damaged. There are lots of other components that can be damaged before this, but you will almost always be given a warning if you're paying attention.

 

[kawika5150]

The SP410 is due to arrive on Friday and I hope to be able to give it a full run that evening. I read somewhere (maybe on the Official Orange thread, not sure) that some of their cabs have these "runners" that are supposed to transfer the sound through the floor for enhancement purposes. That being said, my thought of maybe using an amp stand to elevate these low-profile cabs would not be a good idea?

When the SP212 arrives, I'll try using that cab alone to see how it is. I'm planning on just connecting it to one of the Power Amp (A or B output) which provides 300w per the specs.

 

[BurningSkies]

The SP410 is due to arrive on Friday and I hope to be able to give it a full run that evening. I read somewhere (maybe on the Official Orange thread, not sure) that some of their cabs have these "runners" that are supposed to transfer the sound through the floor for enhancement purposes. That being said, my thought of maybe using an amp stand to elevate these low-profile cabs would not be a good idea?

When the SP212 arrives, I'll try using that cab alone to see how it is. I'm planning on just connecting it to one of the Power Amp (A or B output) which provides 300w per the specs.

You may be surprised at how loud you are with 300w. I gigged with a 300w amp for many years. In fact, I was scolded by many soundguys for being too loud with a 300w amp and a 4x10 for many years.

(now gigging with 500w, 1000w or even 3Kw though)

 

[lbwdog]

My advice.....If you don't absolutely have to bridge it to achieve ample volume, don't!

Reason is, over the years, I've seen lots of amps and speakers damaged by making a simple mistake in the connection, or overpowering the drivers.

I'd be willing to bet that, with that number of speakers, It'll have plenty of power.

BTW...All that stuff that LOUD said (re; underpowering), sounds like a bunch of gobbleygook to me!

 

[kawika5150]

My advice.....If you don't absolutely have to bridge it to achieve ample volume, don't!

I was planning on trying to hook up each cab to each power out (since it has two of them) from the amp to begin with and see how that sounds. I do have a mono-bridge cable ready just in case. But as MANY people on here have said, there is barely an audible difference between using 4 ohm cabs vs using 8 ohm cabs. I currently have a Epi 410 and a GB NEOX210T from their own respective amp outputs that is pretty damn loud for me, and the VT Bass is a dream pedal.

I can't imagine now using these two Orange cabs will result in
less volume even though they're 8 ohm cabs with the same setup/hookup I'm currently using. Am I wrong to assume this? Everything I plan on doing first is the same including the connections. The only difference is the cabs and impedance. I can't wait to hear how this Isobaric design is.

 

[kawika5150]

Head unit is the 4 PRO, and its specs are as follows:

OUTPUT POWER RATING 1600 Watts Mono-Bridged @ 4 Ohms (1200 Watts Continuous)
1200 Watts Mono-Bridged @ 8 Ohms (900 Watts Continuous)
2 x 900 Watts @ 2 Ohms (600 Watts Continuous)
2 x 625 Watts @ 4 Ohms (490 Watts Continuous)
2 x 350 Watts @ 8 Ohms (300 Watts Continuous)

Will receive SP410 in the next few weeks, and its specs are:

4 ultra-lightweight 10" Neodymium loudspeakers (300 watt)
Impedance: 8ohms
Output: 1200 watts

The SP212 is:

Impedance: 8ohms
Output: 600 watts
Weight: 44lb.
Dimensions: 22-1/4"H 19-1/4"W 19-3/4"D

I'm hoping someone can chime in on this. From the head and cab specs above, how would you go about hooking up the following:

1. TWO SP410's stacked (daisy chain from a single output? mono-bridged? one cab per power output?)

2. Adding an SP212 to make it a three cab rig (not recommended?)

I look forward to hearing your ideas on how to make the best use of these two (or three) cabs running off of the 4PRO.

 

[JimmyM]

1. either way will be cool. try them all and make your determination there.

2. do you really think you'll need a third cab? really?

 

[nocontrols]

Loud Tech, I am disappoint.

Seriously, I would expect better information if I contacted a company directly.

 

[kawika5150]

1. either way will be cool. try them all and make your determination there.

2. do you really think you'll need a third cab? really?

I honestly don't plan on keeping all three. If anything (and I'm sure Growler Box will approve), I'll just keep the 410 stack.

Btw, I finally got a chance to really open up the 410 this evening...all I can say is WOW. It really cuts through well and the bottom end is much deeper than I imagined. I really had to turn back the bass and mid settings and just experiment with the EQ to find a tone that I really wanted. I had the Gain set around 11 o'clock and the Master at about noon. Backed off significantly on the treble too. The VT Bass pedal really promotes a great "clean crunch" when I need to summon it.

The air that was coming out of the port on the bottom felt like there was a 10mph gust coming through.

Very pleased with the results thus far, and the 300 watts coming out of the single output on the amp was more than enough.

 

[GrowlerBox]

I honestly don't plan on keeping all three. If anything (and I'm sure Growler Box will approve), I'll just keep the 410 stack.

Btw, I finally got a chance to really open up the 410 this evening...all I can say is WOW. It really cuts through well and the bottom end is much deeper than I imagined. I really had to turn back the bass and mid settings and just experiment with the EQ to find a tone that I really wanted. I had the Gain set around 11 o'clock and the Master at about noon. Backed off significantly on the treble too. The VT Bass pedal really promotes a great "clean crunch" when I need to summon it.

The air that was coming out of the port on the bottom felt like there was a 10mph gust coming through.

Very pleased with the results thus far, and the 300 watts coming out of the single output on the amp was more than enough.

While I'll agree that having my approval is paramount (), it's almost as important that you found the sound you wanted. Sounds very cool, man, and all without a gazillion watts. Congratulations.

 

[kosmicwizard]

Head unit is the 4 PRO, and its specs are as follows:

OUTPUT POWER RATING 1600 Watts Mono-Bridged @ 4 Ohms (1200 Watts Continuous)
1200 Watts Mono-Bridged @ 8 Ohms (900 Watts Continuous)
2 x 900 Watts @ 2 Ohms (600 Watts Continuous)
2 x 625 Watts @ 4 Ohms (490 Watts Continuous)
2 x 350 Watts @ 8 Ohms (300 Watts Continuous)

Will receive SP410 in the next few weeks, and its specs are:

4 ultra-lightweight 10" Neodymium loudspeakers (300 watt)
Impedance: 8ohms
Output: 1200 watts

The SP212 is:

Impedance: 8ohms
Output: 600 watts
Weight: 44lb.
Dimensions: 22-1/4"H 19-1/4"W 19-3/4"D

And below is the email I received from Loud Tech. Inc.:

I wouldn’t recommend running the cabinet in a dual-mono configuration. The cabinets would be under powered by so much that you would likely send the cabinet a clipped signal.

While, it is still significantly under powered, you might want to connect the cabinets to the SVT4Pro in mono-bridge. Since the cabinets would be connected in parallel, the two 8 ohm cabinets would put a 4 ohm load on the amp. Make sure that you use a mono bridge cable that would be wired for +1, +2 at the end that terminates at the amp and for +1, -1 for the end that terminates at the cabinet. Keeping in mind that in mono-bridge you will still under powering the cabinets by 600 watts. At very low volume, you should have a clean signal, but because of being under powered by so much, when you boost your levels clipping may occur.

So am I up the creek on this? Significantly underpowering the two cabs?

I'm not even familiar with the "+1, -1, +2" mono-bridge cable. What kind of cable is that?


Very frustrating indeed.

The LOUD employee is a ******. I think the B-15's all tube 25 watts will underpower the 15 inch speaker, so people shouldn't buy these amps.

I would be more worried that I would blow out a 12. Can you see that that cab can only handle 1/2 what the 4x10 can? If you add another 2x12 to the same side as the other 2x12 it would be more balanced, but then I would want a 4 Ohm 4x10. You can't mono bridge down to 2 Ohms but you can run each side at 2.

I messed around in my head for a long time what the best cab configs are with high powered SS heads, and decided that if you need anything more than a 8x10 something is wrong. I don't know what your ultimate solution is, but I also don't know why you are going about it the way you are. Do you think the 12's will give you more bottom end? Do you think having to carry a couple of cabs is going to be better than wheeling a single 8x10? Do you think 8x10's weight too much? Have you looked into a Bergantino 6x10NV? The only time having a couple of different cabs makes sense in my mind is when you need to add on for a larger than usual gig. All the best. Cheers.

 

[kosmicwizard]

I'm hoping someone can chime in on this. From the head and cab specs above, how would you go about hooking up the following:

1. TWO SP410's stacked (daisy chain from a single output? mono-bridged? one cab per power output?)

2. Adding an SP212 to make it a three cab rig (not recommended?)

I look forward to hearing your ideas on how to make the best use of these two (or three) cabs running off of the 4PRO.

I would mono-bridge the 2 4x10's and scrap the 2x12. You can play through either or both of the 4x10's depending on the size the venue you are playing necessitates. If my first post was confusing sorry ... This is what I was trying to say in it. Cheers.

 

[kawika5150]

I would mono-bridge the 2 4x10's and scrap the 2x12. You can play through either or both of the 4x10's depending on the size the venue you are playing necessitates. If my first post was confusing sorry ... This is what I was trying to say in it. Cheers.

I agree. That's why I got an additional 410, not to mention it will stack nicely. Also, I have the benefit of 8 drivers in the size of a standard 410. Before I do any mono bridging, I will run eAch cab throughout the amps separate outputs. 300 watts on just one of these considering I was "under powering" it, moved enough air to declare a high wind warning. And yes, I was being sarcastic about the under powering remark.

 

[kawika5150]

I wouldn’t recommend running the cabinet in a dual-mono configuration. The cabinets would be under powered by so much that you would likely send the cabinet a clipped signal.

Um, yah. Loud Tech, you were wrong. No "clipped" signal from the 300w that was going to the cab. This thing shook the room.

If I decided to daisychain a 410 to the 212 from one amp power output and hook up the other 410 to the 2nd power output (8 ohms), wouldn't the two attached cabs (410+212) be running at 4ohms while the other is at 8 ohms?

Seriously, I'm not considering running a three-cab rig whatsoever. I was just curious to see how it could be done.

I've got all my Speakon cables properly labeled and the mono-bridge cable with bright green shrinkwrap so there's no mistaking for it.

 

[kawika5150]

Quick question/update:

Any recommendations on how to hook up TWO SP410's to a GBE1200 amp? At first glance, it looks like it would be a great addition (or replacement) for my current amp.

Thanks in advance!

 

[billfitzmaurice]

If I decided to daisychain a 410 to the 212 from one amp power output and hook up the other 410 to the 2nd power output
.

Run the two 410s off one channel, the 212 off the other.

Any recommendations on how to hook up TWO SP410's to a GBE1200 amp?

With a cable from each jack on the amp to each cab. I believe it's a mono amp.

 

[Munjibunga]

That guy's an idiot.

 

[kawika5150]

With a cable from each jack on the amp to each cab. I believe it's a mono amp.

I must've missed that in the specs. I was under the impression the GBE had only one jack. Thanks Bill.

 

[RickenBoogie]

Well, if it did have only one jack, you'd just plug one cab from that jack, and jump the 2nd cab from the 1st.

 

[kawika5150]

Well, if it did have only one jack, you'd just plug one cab from that jack, and jump the 2nd cab from the 1st.

I figured as much, but I may have heard that it had twojacks. In any case, if it only has one, then I'm looking at around 500 watts per cab since it's now a 4 ohm load after daisy chaining them? Amp spec says 1000w @ 4 ohms.

Just looking to compare this head with the 4 PRO. I've tried the 6 and 9 shuttles and I really liked the tone.