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- Thread starter Joe Nerve
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yeah..my whole senior years i focused on musicBruce Lindfield said:Another gap in your education?
which was still pretty hard cos i was doin english, math, IT, Software Design And development and Food technology as well....food tech was a great class...i got to make my own lunch 3 days a week and i was the only male in the class
heath_the_great said:yeah..my whole senior years i focused on music
which was still pretty hard cos i was doin english, math, IT, Software Design And development and Food technology as well....food tech was a great class...i got to make my own lunch 3 days a week and i was the only male in the class
"Food technology " is making your lunch!!
I suppose I shouldn't laugh, as it was pointed out that the proposed new British "Baccalaureat " (or whatever they call it) - will give greater credit for "Cake-Icing" than it does to basic level (GCSE) Physics!!
yeah...we just had to "discuss" its nutritional properties before we eat itBruce Lindfield said:"Food technology " is making your lunch!!
...i made an apple caramel turnover one day 
heath_the_great said:
how much was it? and was it a fender or pre/post fender?
It was $800, I don't know who made it. I couldn't figure out exactly how the knobs worked, but I only messed w/ them twice.
At the average school, I would introduce an elective system, where you could choose Media Studies or Food Tech. or Basket Weaving. Other subjects, such as English and Math, would be required. The teachers would be told to stick to their specialty.
Back on topic, I must have missed this secret clique that attacks those who don't agree w/ them.
was the switch knob 4 position or 6?..if it was 4 that was a fender one and you missed out on the real goodies....
but the whole topic with english was image, how we interpret different media, we did poems, cartoons, books, and movies...it all varied..hell i analysed under the bridge in my final exam and scored full marks for it .....but we do get to choose our subjects in most years....
7-8: we dont
9-10: we have 2 elective classes
11-12: we have 5 electives and english is mandatory
but the whole topic with english was image, how we interpret different media, we did poems, cartoons, books, and movies...it all varied..hell i analysed under the bridge in my final exam and scored full marks for it
.....but we do get to choose our subjects in most years....7-8: we dont
9-10: we have 2 elective classes
11-12: we have 5 electives and english is mandatory
I sorta have the same feeling as you had in the original post, Joe. It's been a little blah.
I'm gasless right now, which has an effect.
I've got a band situation so any playing items are just around rehearsing the same songs.
I'm pretty busy with all sorts of things on my plate other than bass anyway.
A bunch of people changed their user names too...I don't know who's left or just incognito anymore.
I'm gasless right now, which has an effect.
I've got a band situation so any playing items are just around rehearsing the same songs.
I'm pretty busy with all sorts of things on my plate other than bass anyway.
A bunch of people changed their user names too...I don't know who's left or just incognito anymore.
heath_the_great said:yeah...we just had to "discuss" its nutritional properties before we eat it
So....
Food technology is making your lunch and having a chat,
English Literature is watching a few films,
Mathematics is presumably being able to use a calculator...
Science is looking at pictures on the net...?
But of course - nobody is "dumbing down" in education!!
C'mon, Bruce. Just because people simply don't have to think so much about simple computations or literacy skills, because we have computers, doesn't mean that we're any dumber or smarter than previously. Its a different world. Everything has to be done in lightning quick time or else its not cost effective. While it would be great to sit down and manually work out statistics using tables, I'm sure you're happy for the advent of computers to save you time and energy.
Its this simple - we've let technology grow so far that there is nothing we can do to stop it. To learn all the old skills in a world which doesn't require them is redundant. The vast majority couldn't hunt and gather if their lives depended on it. Yet we don't look down our noses at them not being able to do something which was formerly fundamental to existance. To be able to write an essay, by hand, without spelling errors is hardly what anyone could call essential to survival.
Anyways - my point? Being resistant to technology or to the changes in society is only fighting a losing battle. Maybe some day in the future people will realise how dependent we have become on the machines and we will start to forgo the pathetic existance. Until then, google is your friend.
Leigh
Its this simple - we've let technology grow so far that there is nothing we can do to stop it. To learn all the old skills in a world which doesn't require them is redundant. The vast majority couldn't hunt and gather if their lives depended on it. Yet we don't look down our noses at them not being able to do something which was formerly fundamental to existance. To be able to write an essay, by hand, without spelling errors is hardly what anyone could call essential to survival.
Anyways - my point? Being resistant to technology or to the changes in society is only fighting a losing battle. Maybe some day in the future people will realise how dependent we have become on the machines and we will start to forgo the pathetic existance. Until then, google is your friend.
Leigh
I've noticed this slow down/drag out/boringness thing as well, Joe.
Another thing I noticed is the lack of the elders posting replies or even new threads as much.
I also noticed n00bs posting a lot, no offense intended, just an observation mind you.
We're al older community here, (what, 6 yearsish old now?) and there's a great wealth of information stored right here as well. If anyone has a question, they simply just have to push a button, type a few words an there's ten threads on it already. I'm not saying that we're running out of things to say, but perhaps, the most common things that are said, have dried up now? I got this impression from the fact that a lot of newper posts are simply resolved with "Use the search", etc. etc. I don't actually know, these are just a few of my impressions, but they make sense to me. We all have asked the general "why's" and "why nots" for general bassing, and for the most part a lot of the why's/why nots for extended and theoritcal bassing. Again, I'm not saying we've touched every point (certainly not!) but I'm saying that we've touched based, over and over again, on the things that concern MOST of the bass players.
Eh, this is all just my $0.02, makes sense in my sleep deprived mind...
Ray
Another thing I noticed is the lack of the elders posting replies or even new threads as much.
I also noticed n00bs posting a lot, no offense intended, just an observation mind you.
We're al older community here, (what, 6 yearsish old now?) and there's a great wealth of information stored right here as well. If anyone has a question, they simply just have to push a button, type a few words an there's ten threads on it already. I'm not saying that we're running out of things to say, but perhaps, the most common things that are said, have dried up now? I got this impression from the fact that a lot of newper posts are simply resolved with "Use the search", etc. etc. I don't actually know, these are just a few of my impressions, but they make sense to me. We all have asked the general "why's" and "why nots" for general bassing, and for the most part a lot of the why's/why nots for extended and theoritcal bassing. Again, I'm not saying we've touched every point (certainly not!) but I'm saying that we've touched based, over and over again, on the things that concern MOST of the bass players.
Eh, this is all just my $0.02, makes sense in my sleep deprived mind...
Ray
khay0s said:
I could not disagree more! When I took Algebra in HS (in something like 1990) We had to learn to calculate square roots by hand - something that nobody would really do in the real world (you'd use a calculator) ...but it was still EDUCATIONAL to learn it.
I am shocked that you don't think proper spelling / being able to write an essay by hand is important because you have a computer with spelling and grammar checks. Someday when you have a job you might have to write something that somebody else will read using pencil and paper (yes, it certainly does still happen!) If you can't write without having poor spelling, grammar, and using 'chat room speak' you are in for a world of hurt in the work place.
This attitude is exactly what's wrong with our educational system and this upcoming generation. I really hope you weren't being serious!
BTW - Congrats on the record deal Joe!
+1! No! +10000!Matthew Bryson said:
I could not disagree more! When I took Algebra in HS (in something like 1990) We had to learn to calculate square roots by hand - something that nobody would really do in the real world (you'd use a calculator) ...but it was still EDUCATIONAL to learn it.
I am shocked that you don't think proper spelling / being able to write an essay by hand is important because you have a computer with spelling and grammar checks. Someday when you have a job you might have to write something that somebody else will read using pencil and paper (yes, it certainly does still happen!) If you can't write without having poor spelling, grammar, and using 'chat room speak' you are in for a world of hurt in the work place.
This attitude is exactly what's wrong with our educational system and this upcoming generation. I really hope you weren't being serious!
BTW - Congrats on the record deal Joe!
While only graduating High School in May '04, I know what generally still goes on. While being allowed to use calculators and computers and whatnot, teachers still (in my school at least) always gave quizzes/exams to find out if you can do it by hand! I don't know how many times I've walked into my Calc class and had to do 2nd integrals, or walk into english and have a WRITTEN (GASP YES - WITH A PENCIL EVEN!) exam on technique and skill (i.e. grammer, word choice etc. etc.), both without calculators or computers to help. To say that we leave the IMPORTANT fundamentals of being able to know wha'ts going on it ridiculous! Even now in my college classes, we're only allowed to use certain calculators, and that's just to speed up the test taking process really (we can't use calculators that will do graphing/trig/algebra functions of any kind). It is in my mind, and the mind of many teachers and professors that the ability to be able to do the work by hand when need be is as important - if not moreso important - than pushing a few buttons on a calculator and getting a number. Lets face it, if that's how the world was, everyone would be hiring 8 year olds to push buttons, but no, we need to have an understanding of WHY we got that conclusion, of WHY we write that or speak that way. Being able to explain what is going on is most of the battle, the numbers part of it is just a facade really.
Ray
Matthew Bryson said:
I could not disagree more! When I took Algebra in HS (in something like 1990) We had to learn to calculate square roots by hand - something that nobody would really do in the real world (you'd use a calculator) ...but it was still EDUCATIONAL to learn it.
I am shocked that you don't think proper spelling / being able to write an essay by hand is important because you have a computer with spelling and grammar checks. Someday when you have a job you might have to write something that somebody else will read using pencil and paper (yes, it certainly does still happen!) If you can't write without having poor spelling, grammar, and using 'chat room speak' you are in for a world of hurt in the work place.
This attitude is exactly what's wrong with our educational system and this upcoming generation.
That's right - so a large part of my degree was basically "how to do research" - as in evaluating sources, reading between the lines, how to use a Library etc. etc. All useful skills, wherever you end up working.
But I meet younger people at work, who have graduated recently and it's just a case of - look on Google - with no thought to how reliable those sources are!!
Just because you can use a search engine - does not make you a researcher!!
I think that you misunderstood me. I'm certainly not saying that essay writing skills or the ability to use proper English is unimportant. If you had read the rest of the thread you would have seen that I too criticised HTG for his post. What I am saying is that we are seeing a progressive downward spiral. There will be a time in which you won't need to be able to write coherently at all - 'coherency checker' will fix it right up for you. Hence, I also believe that the need to be able to write and spell properly is also declining.Matthew Bryson said:
I could not disagree more! When I took Algebra in HS (in something like 1990) We had to learn to calculate square roots by hand - something that nobody would really do in the real world (you'd use a calculator) ...but it was still EDUCATIONAL to learn it.
I am shocked that you don't think proper spelling / being able to write an essay by hand is important because you have a computer with spelling and grammar checks. Someday when you have a job you might have to write something that somebody else will read using pencil and paper (yes, it certainly does still happen!) If you can't write without having poor spelling, grammar, and using 'chat room speak' you are in for a world of hurt in the work place.
This attitude is exactly what's wrong with our educational system and this upcoming generation. I really hope you weren't being serious!
BTW - Congrats on the record deal Joe!
To reiterate, I DON'T believe that the decline in linguistic skills is positive or something that should be accepted. I was simply trying to make a point about technology and the way society is evolving. There will be a time in which literacy skills will be irrelevant and individuality in writing styles will fade out to represent the Microsoft way. In other words, you're blaming the wrong people if you think students are responsible for this progression.
Leigh
I think that you'll find that College/University will be somewhat different. I personally was making more reference to my experience with tertiary more than secondary education. I don't know anyone who does tertiary-level statistics over here in Uni by hand, thats for sure!Bad_Habit_Bassist said:
Leigh
dont blame me....blame the department of education...its not my fault that they decide to use a visual media to examine us on.....its not like we watch the movie and we pass geez...we have to write a 5 page essay in less than 3 hours (with 2 other essays) about how the film communicates image with the audience.......its not just the film, we also read the book, did about 50 poems and and how radio shows do the same thing....this was only one topic...it only went for about 2 months not for two years..if you really want i can go over my whole senior years english education?.....first my clothes getting ridiculed, now my education...geezz..
khay0s said:
I did read the entire thread before posting.
khay0s said:
Yet it sounds to me like that is exactly what you are saying. (or at least that you are saying that day is coming...)khay0s said:
khay0s said:
This I can agree with. I do not think that the students are to blame.
