DIY - 212 cabinet - help with ports calculation

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by KoziejMaclowski, Jun 8, 2019.

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  1. KoziejMaclowski

    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019
    Hello. I have two faital 120pr300 8 ohm drivers. I'm going to make some custom cabinet 212. I need to help from you! I allready have some plans for construction. That will be my first custom cabinet.

    I'm attaching some plans. (preffer nice look over mobility)
    I have done some calculations in WinISD.

    Volume 100l
    Tuning freq: 55,05hz
    Vents: 3 vents, diameter 11.00 cm vent length 20.1 cm
    at System input power 300W air velocity 50hz: 16 m/s

    Wonder also about:
    110l
    3 vents: 11.00 diameter 17,53 lengths

    I'm doing it right?

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  2. Hard to say without plugging into winISD. Sounds roughly in the ballpark although I would have expected slightly longer ports, not that I have worked with high excursion 12''. If you can rig up ports with duct tape and cardboard temporarily you can fine tune them by experiment before glue.

    How's your power handling with 55hz tuning?

    Something else to consider is dual cabinets. It's nice to grab one little cab for rehearsals
     
  3. KoziejMaclowski

    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019
    Thanks. I will use eden wtx260 for now. I don't know what you mean by power handling at 55hz. But I can post some graphs from winISD tommorow. want to buy monacor telescope bass reflex ports so will be able for tuning them. Also these ports are screwed.

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  4. BogeyBass

    BogeyBass Inactive

    Sep 14, 2010
    50L per driver or 1.76 / 1.8 cubic feet
    Sounds about right. Probably offer little more power handling.

    2.2 to 2.6 cubic feet per driver probably offer more bass response. Depends on the driver.
    Or about 62 to 68 L per driver

    Im looking for data sheet.

    Most tend to high tune. I typically prefer tuning low as possible.

    Can be as simple as tuning to Driver Fs.
    And typically stick to larger BB3 or BB4 alignments.

    Some will go with higher tunings to squeeze extra 60 or so watts. And fiddle around with non true alignments

    I find it pointless and tend to tune low for better transients. Hence using BB3 or BB4
    Alignments.

    Which basically tune to driver Fs then adjust volume according to driver Vas.

    Given better transients and lower bass.
    F3 will be high in the model.

    Real life with normal EQ = equals more bass

    Haven't seen driver driver specs yet. I'll assume if Fs is high. The driver likes smaller volume has decent high-end and just tune at Fs or 2/3 hz below.

    Just remember to get correct port length subract driver and bracing volume. And assume and subtract the rough generic port volume to get correct length. Likewise if your using single flare ports use correct end factor correction.

    Like the bracing. Looks shallow try make deep as possible. And liking the width.
     
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  5. ThisBass

    ThisBass

    Aug 29, 2012
    Germany
    You are on the way to design a pedigree Tschebyscheff alignment (4th order Tschebyscheff HPF).
    IMO/IME that's not a good idea with bass cabinets
     
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  6. SgtHulka

    SgtHulka Inactive

    Mar 29, 2019
    Banland
  7. KoziejMaclowski

    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019
    What alligment would be better?

    Ok but I have allready faital pro so don't sure if fearful design will work with these drivers
     
  8. ThisBass

    ThisBass

    Aug 29, 2012
    Germany
    What's your sound goals?
    WinISD is a fudging freeware tool anyway.
     
  9. KoziejMaclowski

    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019
    I play on signature marcus miller from 89, slap mostly. Fudging freeware means I should avoid and use other software?
     
  10. SgtHulka

    SgtHulka Inactive

    Mar 29, 2019
    Banland
    I just meant why not go with somthing already worked out and proven to sound good. Sorry for any trouble.
     
  11. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    What does WinISD get wrong, that would be of concern to a DIY speaker builder? I compared graphs from WinISD to ones produced by my own derivations from basic electromechanics, and they were in good agreement. The laws of physics are the ultimate freeware. ;)
     
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  12. It used to be known for overestimating port lengths.
     
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  13. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    That's fair. One thing I would always do with any software is to cut the ports a bit long and adjust them after testing. "Measure twice and cut thrice" is my motto. Or something like that. ;)
     
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  14. Roxbororob

    Roxbororob Supporting Member

    Jun 8, 2015
    Montreal
    OP fella is going to use adjustable ports, clever.
    KoziejMaclowski will you glue the baffle in place or only use 10 screws?
     
  15. KoziejMaclowski

    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019
    Adjustable: 150-280mm

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    Only 10 screws, if that not enought I could use more? M7 screws. At the other side I will glue M7 nut inside wood.
    Also, check green lines, there would be 1mm space for damping / gasket material.

    Updated design:
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    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019

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  17. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    One suggestion - my experience is that the internal damping has a far greater effect on the sound than the port tuning. I strongly advise constructing the cabinet in such a way that you can readily change the amount of damping material in early testing and development, and only once you are satisfied gluing everything in place.

    If your development access will be through the front baffle I would double the number of screws on it. I had access through the back and was staggered by how much more it moved than I had expected.
     
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  18. KoziejMaclowski

    KoziejMaclowski

    Jun 8, 2019
    Thanks! Yes I will glue only rear panel, at the front and keep front palnel on screws.
    Also I will use Loctite glue for screws, its not pernament connection but helps securing bolts.

    Also I guess I need to add volume, so it will match tuning after adding damping materials.
     
  19. JimChjones

    JimChjones

    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    I would glue the baffle in once you have finished. It adds a lot of extra over screws, and assuming the drivers are front loaded then you'll have enough access for maintenance.
     
  20. Redbrangus

    Redbrangus Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2018
    Under The X In Texas
    Over here, we use T-nuts with threaded fasteners if we don't use plain old wood screws. Regardless, you need a fastener every 100-125mm or so.

    And what's going on in the area behind the ports? It looks to me like the bracing is forming resonant cavities separate from the main chamber...kind of like a band-pass enclosure. Is that part of the intent of the design?