Do it all 15" driver

[badinage]

I wonder why Eminence doesn't market a Basslite 15.

 

[John D Harris]

Yes.
It's a good, fairly wide-range, balanced, smooth sounding 15" driver.

If you only want a sealed cabinet, I have no idea how this driver is in that situation.

 

[ajkula66]

You couldn't have come up with 3 more different sounding

Agreed.

and highly voiced speakers IMO. None of them cover a particularly wide sonic territory either since they are so voiced.

Respectfully disagree. I'm not about to argue with someone of your experience and stature.

 

[Kirk Bryant]

Why not an Eminence Kappalite 3015?

 

[agedhorse]

Agreed.



Respectfully disagree. I'm not about to argue with someone of your experience and stature.

What I’m saying is that when a speaker is highly voiced, it doesn’t cover a wide sonic territory because those two terms are at odds with each other.

 

[agedhorse]

Why not an Eminence Kappalite 3015?

Not a terrible choice, but still better suited for a ported enclosure. the LF version is slightly better in this regard but suffers from being pretty dark.

 

[JimiHendrix]

Great Plains Audio/Altec Lansing 150w 421H, though, they arent cheap.

 

[Drop1]

Not a terrible choice, but still better suited for a ported enclosure. the LF version is slightly better in this regard but suffers from being pretty dark.

Dark is definitely something I do not want. Second only to high distortion in things I'd like to avoid.

 

[Drop1]

If these are your goals bass guitar speakers are not what you want. Their design goal is as much volume as possible at the expense of evenness of frequency response. A set of Home Hifi speaker drivers will allow you to achieve that goal far better than bass or musical instrument speakers.

I have multiple sets of monitors and a sub , carefully placed, and eq'ed to the room as well as sound treatment. I just feel like playing a bass though monitors is the opposite of what the experience should be. Though it is occasionally fun to make the sub go boom. I dont need a bass cab. I just want one, well, because I play bass...

 

[Drop1]

If it's for studio use, fidelity is even more important. You are unlikely to build something better than you can buy.

I have monitors for all that. Iem's as well.
By building, I can cheat the enclosure volume to push the response in the direction I want it to go.
It may cost some power handling, but I don't care. These drivers will not be seeing much power at all.

 

[badinage]

Great Plains Audio/Altec Lansing 150w 421H, though, they arent cheap.

Sincerely asking... What is it that you like about the Altec 421H ? When I was kid in the 1980s everything Altec was already considered to be 'long in the tooth': suited for Seeburg extension cabinets but too easy to blow to be suited for bass or PA use.

I sure blew my share of "200 watt" JBL E140s with a bass guitar, never liked their voicing anyway and thought they sounded horrible for anything having to do with human vocals. In the old days I really liked the tone of EVM 15Bs for mid-bass in a PA system (say 100hz to 1000hz), and still like them for bass guitar, ...but again too easy to blow to rely on for regular use: the occasional situation where levels may get intemperate (guest bassist perhaps) will sure risk frying them. ...Sorry for the swerve.

 

[John D Harris]

Just thought of this one: Bag End E-15A.
They have a S15B-B cabinet that is ported, but comes with a port plug - datasheet for the cabinet is [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
They are pretty efficient as well.

 

[crazyBassClown]

By building, I can cheat the enclosure volume to push the response in the direction I want it to go.

I've found an EQ does wonders for this at a much lower effort and easily changeable for multiple "sounds", especially at lower volumes.
If you want to build a cab then build a cab but don't kid yourself that it's because you need to to be able to tune it to how you want it to sound.

 

[Drop1]

I've found an EQ does wonders for this at a much lower effort and easily changeable for multiple "sounds", especially at lower volumes.
If you want to build a cab then build a cab but don't kid yourself that it's because you need to to be able to tune it to how you want it to sound.

You aren't telling me anything I don't know. The cab will have its own full time channel upstream that includes both thr eq on the mixer and a fully Para with as many eq centers as I care to add on the softwear side, along with a host of emulations amd fx. The closer I get to what I want outside the computer the less I'll need to mess with the computer. Ideally I won't "have" to use the computer at all if I don't want to. I'm a big fan of addressing things at the source , not throwing bandaids at it.
If you know anything about acoustics you'll know that where the cab is in the room will make the biggest difference. Not just where it is in the floor, but also how high off the floor the drivers are. That can be the difference between a big gapping hole around a 100hz and a smaller dip that is somewhat responsive to the eq you mentioned.

 

[crazyBassClown]

If you know anything about acoustics you'll know that where the cab is in the room will make the biggest difference.

And given the vast amounts of equipment you claim to already have those prime positions are already taken by existing speakers that could do what you need anyway?
Are you planning on placing your ears in the ideal position to listen to the cab? The placement of your ears will matter just as much as the cabs placement. Which ear are you going to optimise for? Have you acoustically treated your walls and ceiling to remove the reflections and cancellations they will cause?
Or you can do what I do and use headphones and remove all of those room issues completely.

 

[Drop1]

And given the vast amounts of equipment you claim to already have those prime positions are already taken by existing speakers that could do what you need anyway?
Are you planning on placing your ears in the ideal position to listen to the cab? The placement of your ears will matter just as much as the cabs placement. Which ear are you going to optimise for? Have you acoustically treated your walls and ceiling to remove the reflections and cancellations they will cause?
Or you can do what I do and use headphones and remove all of those room issues completely.

Of course I have treatment. The treatment on the main reflective wall is 4" thick. The room is double rocked with studs on an 8" center. I feel like you're trying to educate me. I assure you you don't need to. I understand that varying enclosure volume gives minimal results, but when you start adding all the little things together, it adds up.
I'm also aware that I'll need to be seated to find the optimum placement for both the cab and myself. I work in reverse here. Put the cab In the sitting postion and take measurements around the room. Then move the cab to the best measured spot and make adjustments from there.

 

[crazyBassClown]

I feel like you're trying to educate me.

I'm long past bothering to try to educate you.
You clearly know what you are doing.
I am merely suggesting to others that following your path may not be the best option to take...

 

[Drop1]

And given the vast amounts of equipment you claim to already have those prime positions are already taken by existing speakers that could do what you need anyway?
Are you planning on placing your ears in the ideal position to listen to the cab? The placement of your ears will matter just as much as the cabs placement. Which ear are you going to optimise for? Have you acoustically treated your walls and ceiling to remove the reflections and cancellations they will cause?
Or you can do what I do and use headphones and remove all of those room issues completely.

I assume you know what this is.

The hardware it connects to let's me view ir's, phase, frequency, and several other things like a host of electrical signals IN REAL TIME.
I tune stuff for fun

 

[crazyBassClown]

Then why are you here asking us about bass guitar speaker drivers?
Go buy something and tune it for fun.
Or continue trying to show us how smart you are, doing pointless things for your own amusement.

 

[agedhorse]

Then why are you here asking us about bass guitar speaker drivers?
Go buy something and tune it for fun.
Or continue trying to show us how smart you are, doing pointless things for your own amusement.

That's exactly what I was wondering, I thought he was asking a question yet if he already knows it all, why ask us mere mortals question. If you might have noticed, the more he says the less doubt he leaves.