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Do "Pro-Bassists" Ever Mess Up?

I was just thinking as I was wastching some live performances (on SNL, Late Night... etc) and listening to the bass lines closely and it all sounds pretty darn perfect to me.... it makes me wonder, is there some sort of magic potion out there that allows a player to play a song perfectly? o_O

If so, I sure need some! :roflmao: Cause it's never happened to me before!!!

Id say you can measure a pro by his ability to sell his mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, its about how you recover because 9 times out of 10 the audience isn't aware of mistakes unless somebody draws attention to it.
 
Like others already said, when musicians are playing together mistakes can and do happen. But so what if they do? I'd much rather see musicians playing live, being in the moment, reacting to each other and to the audience, and risking mistakes in order to make magic, than seeing "actors" miming to pre-recorded tracks in order to ensure "perfection". Hint to event organizers and promoters, if the people on stage aren't performing it live, it is NOT perfection. You have to actually DO something in order to call it perfection!

To paraphrase a famous quote (various phrasings are attributed to many different people), "Show me a musician who never made a mistake and I'll show you a musician who never really made music.". ;)
 
John Entwistle at 4 seconds into Summertime Blues. If you listen to Live at Hull, in the solo breaks of My Generation he whiffs it a bit too, if you judge by other recorded examples from the same period (Leeds, Live at Fillmore East 4/6/69).

There's plenty of times when Jack Bruce hits what might be considered a sour note. It's a bit harder to judge there given the jazz improvisation style, and they work, but there's some instances where it seems a bit of a stretch. In an interview when asked about some odd notes in Sweet Wine from Live Cream, he said "quite often, some of the best things that happen in improvisation come from mistakes." In the final refrain of Tales on the studio version, he doesn't do the walk down the first time. Whether that was a choice or not idk, but he always does the full walk down in all live versions, so maybe it was studio mess up.

Point being, everyone messes up, and to think that it's unacceptable I think is more a product of modern production that everything has to be so perfect and glossy to the point of removing the human element. Personally I really like hearing these clams, it reminds me that these songs were being recorded on the fly by real people. It's the same reason I like improvisation in life music.



Going into the last chorus, that where you're talking about right? He keeps playing the bridge riff a little bit too long. I actually only noticed that a few weeks ago, and I'd been listening and playing that song for years.
JPJ also blows an A to D transition towards the end of Rock and Roll. He goes early and then adjusts to Page.
 
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Check out the justin Timberlake concert video on Netflix. Even if you hate his music, the band will absolutely floor you.

Another great band to check out is Bruno Mars' backing band, The Hooligans. They are absolutely fantastic.

But to answer the question, yes of course they screw up. They're professional, not perfect. They might screw up less than non-pros, but they still do from time to time. Remember, they have hours and hours of practice on us. We all have full time jobs (well most of us anyway) and play bass when we can. Playing bass IS their full time job. So if they take that theoretical 40 hour week and just practice their upcoming sets all week, they're gonna play pretty darn flawlessly. Plus, a lot of those guys have been playing the same songs for years of even decades. It's engrained in their brains, they could probably play without thinking about it.

A lot of them probably live by the old adage "don't practice until you get it right, practice until you don't get it wrong"
 
There is a magic potion. It is called "practice" and it is not cheap and must be taken daily, sometimes 3 or 4 times a day.
I don't mean to be flippant about it. I am just saying that there is no shortcut to playing an instrument and song proficiently.

Very true but in the real world where we have family, jobs, kids and other responsibilities it's not easy. I'm in two bands right now and it's very difficult to learn and practice over 65 songs without mistakes. I'm thankful that my band mates understand and still consider me a good player. I just don't always have enough time.
 
there's an album by trumpeter Jack Walrath called "out of the tradition," which I really like -- but there's multiple clams from the bass player spread throughout the album. I always wondered why they didn't do another take of those parts.

this is in the liner notes to Rush's Time Machine live in cleveland album.

"During the guitar solo of the song Presto there was an unscheduled 'brain fart' on my part, and so for the sake of continuity (and to save my own face) rather than leave the song out of the show we chose to repair it with a few seconds of my live performance of that song from another show" - Geddy
 
All the time... the only one I've never heard a clam from is Lee Sklar...
I saw Lee play in Munich three days ago with Judith Owen. It was a very small venue and I was in the first row right in front of him, watching and listening intently. I've seen many of the all-time greats play over the last 40 years and I've never seen anything like this. Perfect execution, intense feel and subtlety of expression and dynamics, and what impressed me most was the total attention to every single note. Every note was just as important as every other one.
It was inspiring. Of course, I've only seen him play live once but somehow I can't imagine the man playing a clam.
 
Another great band to check out is Bruno Mars' backing band, The Hooligans. They are absolutely fantastic.

But to answer the question, yes of course they screw up. They're professional, not perfect. They might screw up less than non-pros, but they still do from time to time. Remember, they have hours and hours of practice on us. We all have full time jobs (well most of us anyway) and play bass when we can. Playing bass IS their full time job. So if they take that theoretical 40 hour week and just practice their upcoming sets all week, they're gonna play pretty darn flawlessly. Plus, a lot of those guys have been playing the same songs for years of even decades. It's engrained in their brains, they could probably play without thinking about it.

A lot of them probably live by the old adage "don't practice until you get it right, practice until you don't get it wrong"
Agreed. Back in the day there were hundreds or thousands of nightclub gigs around - many were 4 nights a week, 4 sets a night, weeks on end. Load in once, go home with your axe each night, meet and jam or add material during the afternoons, finally load out at the end of the run. So much playing, churning it out night after night, couldn't make a mistake if you tried. Mostly ancient history, vast majority of today's players probably cannot even imagine the scene as it was. Looking back it seems like a dream. There were clubs everywhere...
 
I was just thinking as I was wastching some live performances (on SNL, Late Night... etc) and listening to the bass lines closely and it all sounds pretty darn perfect to me.... it makes me wonder, is there some sort of magic potion out there that allows a player to play a song perfectly? o_O

If so, I sure need some! :roflmao: Cause it's never happened to me before!!!
There's a video of Michel Camilo, Anthony Jackson and Giovanni Hidalgo playing at a jazz festival. In it Anthony Jackson was not at his best that night. In one piece, Michel Camilo kept shouting for his attention and started playing his line. Giovanni Hidalgo was just banging away on congas like "dude, I can't help you".

It was overall a pretty great show, but I could tell AJ was not entirely ready. Plenty of fumbling in one of the tunes they played. I still think it all sounded pretty good.
 
Well, there are three ways to look at this kind of thing:

1. If you're talking about an actual "band" made up of regular people who hit it big, then sure - mistakes can happen. It's usually no big deal unless it becomes a problem. But if you're in Rush or one of these other legacy bands, where you built it and you own it, and you're the boss anyway, you could mess up all night. Heck, go out and set your bass on fire. Wouldn't matter. But, an interesting thing about this was the Bon Jovi episode of Behind the Music, where Richie Sambora is talking about Alec Jon Such's terrible live playing. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "At first, I felt bad for the guy, making mistakes in front of these huge audiences. But after it kept happening again and again I started to feel bad for us, and for the audiences getting that kind of performance." Good stuff right there, Sambora. Anyway, Hugh McDonald played all the parts on their records anyway, so it made sense he'd take over live after Such was fired. Thing is, though - you go out and play a set in a band where there's no (or very little) improvisation, things are inevitably going to get super tight. If they don't, someone's a problem and they've gotta go. There were always these killer drummer gigs coming up for grabs around LA when I was in that circuit, because when bands were getting signed in the early 2000s (not sure how it is now), like 9/10 times the drummer would be canned and replaced by a pro who could keep time and make it slam on tour. That happened constantly. Anyway, speaking of hired guns...

2. No, they don't usually make mistakes. If they do, you'd never know it because they'd cover up. But if they kept on making mistakes they ain't gonna have the gig for long, at least if it's high profile or one where the MD takes his gig seriously. Go to a Rickey Minor clinic and he's got no problem telling you he fires players constantly. One strike, warning. One more? Gone. A lot of these gigs go to players who are insane with both precision an feel, in that you have to hit exact parts that are lined up with walls of sequenced backing tracks on point, every night, exactly the same way. If you screw up at all it'll jump out. But then, most pros have devoted their lives to playing at that level. You might hate Madonna, but check out videos of her eighties concerts, where she had guys like Omar Hakim and Victor Bailey playing in her bands. Check it out, because by the time they get to around 6:00 they are absolutely killing it. I dunno - I've known a lot of dudes from that circuit and they get and keep the gigs because they nail it, spotless, night after night, and if you're singing backing vox you better be on-pitch, on-time, all-night. There's a reason why guys like Lee Sklar, Jimmy Johnson, Pino, etc., get all the gigs when they come up - they're pro and don't make mistakes. It's a totally different discipline than jazz or funk or jam based music, because...

3. If you're playing that stuff, who cares? You should be going for it and mistakes are gonna happen. It's all about how you recover and adjust. Half the time that's where the magic is anyway. That music is all about the moment, creating a unique experience or everyone in the room every night, so whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen, and it's all good.
 
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Having played for many years, one of the skills that has seriously improved is the time it takes me to detect then correct a wrong note. I would say 9 of 10 times it happens even my bandmates don't even notice :). This mostly happens in practice, on songs I am super comfy with. My mind will wander away from the task and then I might lose track of where in the song structure I am, etc. Live not as much since I am much more in the zone.

Later
Rob
 
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